Perdón por insistir en la IFR pero es que el propio A. Fauci la situó en unos valores alrededor del 0.1%
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2002387
"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%).
Estamos hablando de alrededor de 40-50000 muertos en España, con esta IFR?
Empiezan las vacunaciones en personas sanas.
Los tests en monos si eso ya otro dia, que"hacen falta muchos permisos" 
Dice mucho de la gravedad del virus.
Delta, en mi humildísima opinión no existe ninguna conspiración.
Los politicos, sus asesores, sus expertos y sus equipos de comunicación, así como los medios, son mera correa de transmisión del sentir popular. NUNCA JAMÁS van a ir contra la mayoría. Ni siquiera los dictadores se arriesgan, si Franco murió en la cama es porque lo sabía y lo aprovechaba.
La mayoría difusa en España es la que es: 8 millones de jubilados "en riesgo" y 3 y pico de empleados públicos.
El gobierno no podía hacer nada distinto a lo que hizo, sin que supusiera su inmolación política.
Y ahi es donde está mi crítica.
El ministro astronauta no debería ser correa de transmisión de los terraplanistas.
Análogamente Simón no deberia transmitir el sentir de mi vecina hipocondríaca respecto al falso virus asesino, solo por mantener su puesto otros 4 años.
Un ejemplo: desaconsejar mascarillas en marzo y obligarlas en agosto. Etc. Esto es puro terraplanismo de patio vecinal.
No han querido ser los faros que iluminen la oscuridad. Han sido cobardes.
Pero... Quizá les paguemos para eso. Lo contrario sería un riesgo quizá demasiado grande.
CHOSEN, eso explica una parte (bastante importante) de lo que nos toca como país, y no niego en absoluto la premisa, pero la opinión pública la tienes que fabricar, dirigir y mantener hacia donde quieres. Vimos cómo mientras estábamos "secuestrados" los medios indicaron que había que odiar a Holanda y Suecia porque se estaban interponiendo entre nuestro gobierno (y afines) y la llegada de fondos sin contrapartidas, esto fue fabricar una idea y diseminarla entre la opinión pública para conseguir presionar coqueteando con el antieuropeísmo. Fue una negociación en la que se utilizó a la ciudadanía como medio de presión y, para que ello fuera efectivo, había que mostrar la catástrofe de la que no éramos culpables. ¿Creen ustedes que si hubiéramos tenido las cuentas en su sitio habríamos necesitado mostrar tal nivel de tragedia? Yo creo que no. Los fondos deben llegar a quienes deben llegar y se deben asignar entre quienes se deben asignar y si para ello uno se tiene que hacer verde, pues uno se pinta la cara de verde, de rojo o de lo que haga falta.
Hola,
la gente que se cuestiona las cosas - buena parte de mi entorno - tiene un buen lío en la cabeza con lo que está pasando con el COVID, particularmente en España. Para empezar no es fácil establecer la base, o el origen, del lío; pero está claro que algo no está claro.
En el foro hay mucha información, pero tampoco es fácil identificar de manera sencilla las diferentes tesis. Utilizo el último post de CHOSEN, brillante forero en el hilo principal, para pedir humildemente (porque no soy capaz de conseguirlo por mi mismo) la tesis en la que se basa esta (su) posición.
Lo que ocurre es por: (i) incompetencia?, (ii) un plan que persigue... ¿qué?, (iii) una élite dominante con una visión especial?
Muchas gracias
Es complicadísimo establecer un punto de inicio desde el que partir para construir eso que pide. Pero, por empezar por alguna parte en esta gigantesca matrioshka, yo iría al contexto internacional y las relaciones que existen y que se están construyendo entre los 3 bloques con mayor peso y sus metas. Partiendo de ahí, tenemos el bloque asiático dominado por China y Rusia, la UE y, por último, la anglosfera (más bien EE.UU. por un lado, y el resto de ella con reticencias importantes por la figura de Trump). Estos bloques con sus divisiones internas, a su vez, pero con países que tienen un peso mucho mayor que el resto, que son los
decision makers.
Este artículo del Asia Times me parece interesante en este sentido, a través de zerohedge:
"Definitive Eurasian Alliance Is Closer Than You Think"Beijing-Moscow is already on; Berlin-Beijing is a work in progress; the missing but not distant link is Berlin-Moscow.
We have seen how China is meticulously planning all its crucial geopolitical and geoeconomic moves all the way to 2030 and beyond.
What you are about to read next comes from a series of private, multilateral discussions among intel analysts, and may helpfully design the contours of the Big Picture.
In China, it’s clear the path ahead points to boosting internal demand, and shifting monetary policy towards the creation of credit to consolidate the building of world-class domestic industries.
In parallel, there’s a serious debate in Moscow that Russia should proceed along the same path. As an analyst puts it, “Russia should not import anything but technologies it needs until it can create them themselves and export only the oil and gas that is required to pay for imports that should be severely restricted. China still needs natural resources, which makes Russia and China unique allies. A nation should be as self-sufficient as possible.”
That happens to mirror the exact CCP strategy, as delineated by President Xi in his July 31 Central Committee meeting.
And that also goes right against a hefty neoliberal wing in the CCP – collaborationists? – who would dream of a party conversion into Western-style social democracy, on top of it subservient to the interests of Western capital.
Comparing China’s economic velocity now with the US is like comparing a Maserati Gran Turismo Sport (with a V8 Ferrari engine) with a Toyota Camry. China, proportionately, holds a larger reservoir of very well educated young generations; an accelerated rural-urban migration; increased poverty eradication; more savings; a cultural sense of deferred gratification; more – Confucianist – social discipline; and infinitely more respect for the rationally educated mind. The process of China increasingly trading with itself will be more than enough to keep the necessary sustainable development momentum going.
The hypersonic factor
Meanwhile, on the geopolitical front, the consensus in Moscow – from the Kremlin to the Foreign Ministry – is that the Trump administration is not “agreement-capable”, a diplomatic euphemism that refers to a de facto bunch of liars; and it’s also not “legal-capable”, an euphemism applied, for instance, to lobbying for snapback sanctions when Trump has already ditched the JCPOA.
President Putin has already said in the recent past that negotiating with Team Trump is like playing chess with a pigeon: the demented bird walks all over the chessboard, shits indiscriminately, knocks over pieces, declares victory, then runs away.
In contrast, serious lobbying at the highest levels of the Russian government is invested in consolidating the definitive Eurasian alliance, uniting Germany, Russia and China.
But that would only apply to Germany after Merkel. According to a US analyst, “the only thing holding back Germany is that they can expect to lose their car exports to the US and more, but I tell them that can happen right away because of the dollar-euro exchange rate, with the euro becoming more expensive.”
On the nuclear front, and reaching way beyond the current Belarus drama – as in there will be no Maidan in Minsk – Moscow has made it very clear, in no uncertain terms, that any missile attack from NATO will be interpreted as a nuclear attack.
The Russian defensive missile system – including the already tested S-500s, and soon the already designed S-600s – arguably may be 99% effective. That means Russia would still have to absorb some punishment. And this is why Russia has built an extensive network of nuclear bomb shelters in big cities to protect at least 40 million people.
Russian analysts interpret China’s defensive approach along the same lines. Beijing will want to develop – if they have not already done so – a defensive shield, and still retain the ability to strike back against a US attack with nuclear missiles.
The best Russian analysts, such as Andrei Martyanov, know that the three top weapons of a putative next war will be offensive and defensive missiles and submarines combined with cyber warfare capabilities.
The key weapon today – and the Chinese understand it very clearly – is nuclear submarines. Russians are observing how China is building their submarine fleet – carrying hypersonic missiles – faster than the US. Surface fleets are obsolete. A wolf pack of Chinese submarines can easily knock out a carrier task force. Those 11 US carrier task forces are in fact worthless.
So in the – horrifying – event of the seas becoming un-sailable in a war, with the US, Russia and China blocking all commercial traffic, that’s the key strategic reason pushing China to obtain as much of its natural resources overland from Russia.
Even if pipelines are bombed they can be fixed in no time. Thus the supreme importance for China of Power of Siberia – as well as the dizzying array of Gazprom projects.
The Hormuz factor
A closely guarded secret in Moscow is that right after German sanctions imposed in relation to Ukraine, a major global energy operator approached Russia with an offer to divert to China no less than 7 million barrels a day of oil plus natural gas. Whatever happens, the stunning proposal is still sitting on the table of Shmal Gannadiy, a top oil/gas advisor to President Putin.
In the event that would ever happen, it would secure for China all the natural resources they need from Russia. Under this hypothesis, the Russian rationale would be to bypass German sanctions by switching its oil exports to China, which from a Russian point of view is more advanced in consumer technology than Germany.
Of course this all changed with the imminent conclusion of Nord Stream 2 – despite Team Trump taking no prisoners to sanction everyone in sight.
Backdoor intel discussions made it very clear to German industrialists that if Germany would ever lose its Russian source of oil and natural gas, coupled with the Strait of Hormuz shut down by Iran in the event of an American attack, the German economy might simply collapse.
There have been serious cross-country intel discussions about the possibility of a US-sponsored October Surprise involving a false flag to be blamed on Iran. Team Trump’s “maximum pressure” on Iran has absolutely nothing to do with the JCPOA. What matters is that even indirectly, the Russia-China strategic partnership has made it very clear that Tehran will be protected as a strategic asset – and as a key node of Eurasia integration.
Cross-intel considerations center on a scenario assuming a – quite unlikely – collapse of the government in Tehran. The first thing Washington would do in this case is to pull the switch of the SWIFT clearing system. The target would be to crush the Russian economy. That’s why Russia and China are actively increasing the merger of the Russian Mir and the Chinese CHIPS payment systems, as well as bypassing the US dollar in bilateral trade.
It has already been gamed in Beijing that were that scenario ever to take place, China might lose its two key allies in one move, and then have to face Washington alone, still on a stage of not being able to assure for itself all the necessary natural resources. That would be a real existential threat. And that explains the rationale behind the increasing interconnection of the Russia-China strategic partnership plus the $400 billion, 25-year-long China-Iran deal.
Bismarck is back
Another possible secret deal already discussed at the highest intel levels is the possibility of a Bismarckian Reinsurance Treaty to be established between Germany and Russia. The inevitable consequence would be a de facto Berlin-Moscow-Beijing alliance spanning the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), alongside the creation of a new – digital? – Eurasian currency for the whole Eurasian alliance, including important yet peripheral actors such as France and Italy.
Well, Beijing-Moscow is already on. Berlin-Beijing is a work in progress. The missing link is Berlin-Moscow.
That would represent not only the ultimate nightmare for Mackinder-drenched Anglo-American elites, but in fact the definitive passing of the geopolitical torch from maritime empires back to the Eurasian heartland.
It’s not a fiction anymore. It’s on the table.
Adding to it, let’s do some little time traveling and go back to the year 1348.
The Mongols of the Golden Horde are in Crimea, laying siege to Kaffa – a trading port in the Black Sea controlled by the Genoese.
Suddenly, the Mongol army is consumed by bubonic plague.
They start catapulting contaminated corpses over the walls of the Crimean city.
So imagine what happened when ships started sailing again from Kaffa to Genoa.
They transported the plague to Italy.
By 1360, the Black Death was literally all over the place – from Lisbon to Novgorod, from Sicily to Norway. As much as 60% of Europe’s population may have been killed – over 100 million people.
A case can be made that the Renaissance, because of the plague, was delayed by a whole century.
Covid-19 is of course far from a medieval plague. But it’s fair to ask.
What Renaissance could it be possibly delaying?
Well, it might well be actually advancing the Renaissance of Eurasia. It’s happening just as the Hegemon, the former “end of history”, is internally imploding, “distracted from distraction by distraction”, to quote T.S. Eliot. Behind the fog, in prime shadowplay pastures, the vital moves to reorganize the Eurasian land mass are already on."
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Lo que creo que se está dilucidando mientras aquí nos estamos tapando la cara es un nuevo modelo de relaciones entre bloques que generarán un NWO, pero no (¿necesariamente?) en el sentido de que nos van a esclavizar a todos los humanos y tal, sino en una nueva estructura de relaciones internacionales con un modelo de sociedad distinta. Esto, obviamente, genera tensiones domésticas, y esta epidemia permite que estemos "entretenidos" y que mucha gente que saldría perjudicada de aplicarse estos cambios sin una cortina, identificara algunas cosas como la(s) causa(s) verdadera(s) de la crisis que vivimos/vamos a vivir hasta que se establezca el nuevo modelo. Los gobernantes y personas cercanas al poder buscan sobrevivir y asignar los recursos a la oligarquía y la parte de ciudadanos de la que ha dependido/depende su supervivencia. Esto antes se hacía con guerras.
También está la cuestión de los nacionalismos populistas, entre los que destaca, obviamente, la figura de Trump, que supone un problema que los líderes y grupos pro-globalización pueden intentar corregir. Hemos visto comentarios por parte de este tipo de grupos que van en esa dirección. Hemos visto cómo se utilizaba Brasil para atacar la respuesta de Bolsonaro calificándola como desastre absoluto y lo mismo con Trump, mientras se obviaba que el estado de NY, gobernado por un demócrata, tenía unos números catastróficos.
Grosso modo, es por donde se va mi cabeza. Un peliculote, XD.
Estamos hablando de alrededor de 40-50000 muertos en España, con esta IFR?
Si se afirma que la IFR es del 0,01%, teniendo unos 45.000 muertos en España por Covid-19, se afirma que todos los españoles se infectaron. Así que los rebrotes son de avariciosos que quieren repetir 
O quizá es que sólo 1.000 murieron de Covid-19 y los otros 44.000 murieron en el célebre gran accidente de tráfico de Simón En fin...
Las personas que mueren con/por el virus tienen de media 2.6 enfermedades. Yo me limito a traer lo que encuentro, esto en concreto viene de la máxima autoridad en la respuesta a la epidemia en EEUU. MIREN EL ESTUDIO DE ESA PLACA PETRI FLOTANTE QUE FUE EL DIAMOND PRINCESS. En España se devolvía a ancianos a sus residencias sin tratar, con paliativos, entre otras muchas cosas.
VVPP, ustedes se arrepentirán de sus burlas y tendrán que retractarse ante mí, en esta vida o las siguientes, XD! Yo les perdonaré y les abrazaré con el mismo afecto con el que un padre lo hace con un hijo travieso...
Sds.
Edito:
Olvidé incluir la ENORME industria que se ha creado alrededor del virus, que no ayuda precisamente a que la cosa se calme.
