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Citaren cuanto al Great Reset (que sería más propio discutir en el hilo PPCC, me remito a lo que dijo Maloserá unas cuantas páginas atrás (parafraseando, y mucho, espero que me sepa disculpar): algunos ven conspiraciones (planes tangibles y realizables) donde otros ven gente que se agarra a cualquier carro con cierto tirón noticioso de ideas compartidas y luego pasarán a otra cosa (o harán lo contrario porque es lo que les da de comer).De acuerdo en lo primero, aunque lo veo relacionado por el timing. Desde mi casa, esta es mi posición:CitarYo no sé hasta qué punto esto es una declaración de intenciones o de máximos para que se acepten unos mínimos o algo que terminará en nadaSi vas a parafrasear a Maloserá, habrá que hacerlo bien, porque él ha dicho esto:CitarEl great reset ... es que es de lo que llevamos hablando desde que ingresé en burbuja hacia 2008. Que el modelo economico está hecho un cristo. Que ha aumentado la desigualdad. Que la tecnología ha beneficiado mucho a pocos. Que se está viviendo peor. Gran reset...ya. Nuestro ppcc es el gran maestre del gran reset. Si solo hubera acertado algo mas. Que va a decir el WE forum, como se va a titular su pagina: 'seguimos como siempre' 'mas de lo mismo es el futuro' 'todo va de puta madre'.Y esto:CitarY ya me está tardando en llegar una teoríá conspiratoria de cajón. Una vacuna sin conocimiento de los efectos a largo plazo se inyecta a todos los mayores de 65. La generación tapón. Los que están arruinando las finanzas publicas e inflando los precios de vivienda. Capisci Tendría mucha más logica que el gran reset de noseque pero ahí os la dejo.Y soy consciente de que tengo muchas inconsistencias. De cómo lo veo a cómo lo expreso parece que pierdo en precisión, de cómo lo expreso a cómo se me entiende hay otro gap. Ahora bien, que se me tache de conspiracionista cuando es evidente que se está aprovechando la crisis para marcar agendas y rumbos (amén de otras cosas) y que son explícitos, pues no debería ser la calificación tan alegre. Yo veo una lucha entre grupos de poder donde la intersección se encuentra en moverse a un nuevo modelo político/productivo global basado en el multilateralismo impulsado por energías verdes compitiendo con el viejo modelo que no quiere morir EN ESTE CONTEXTO. ESTO ya estaba, de acuerdo, pero este virus (concretamente este) NO tiene ese potencial de cambio.No sé si esto da para pisar suelo común.De todos modos, te agradezco tus contribuciones, se nota que tienes mucha más base que yo y me marcas límites que de otro modo no podría ver.Un saludo.
en cuanto al Great Reset (que sería más propio discutir en el hilo PPCC, me remito a lo que dijo Maloserá unas cuantas páginas atrás (parafraseando, y mucho, espero que me sepa disculpar): algunos ven conspiraciones (planes tangibles y realizables) donde otros ven gente que se agarra a cualquier carro con cierto tirón noticioso de ideas compartidas y luego pasarán a otra cosa (o harán lo contrario porque es lo que les da de comer).
Yo no sé hasta qué punto esto es una declaración de intenciones o de máximos para que se acepten unos mínimos o algo que terminará en nada
El great reset ... es que es de lo que llevamos hablando desde que ingresé en burbuja hacia 2008. Que el modelo economico está hecho un cristo. Que ha aumentado la desigualdad. Que la tecnología ha beneficiado mucho a pocos. Que se está viviendo peor. Gran reset...ya. Nuestro ppcc es el gran maestre del gran reset. Si solo hubera acertado algo mas. Que va a decir el WE forum, como se va a titular su pagina: 'seguimos como siempre' 'mas de lo mismo es el futuro' 'todo va de puta madre'.
Y ya me está tardando en llegar una teoríá conspiratoria de cajón. Una vacuna sin conocimiento de los efectos a largo plazo se inyecta a todos los mayores de 65. La generación tapón. Los que están arruinando las finanzas publicas e inflando los precios de vivienda. Capisci Tendría mucha más logica que el gran reset de noseque pero ahí os la dejo.
2020 is a year of disguises. Some examples include computer models/modelers disguised as “science/scientists,” Tyrants/Dictators/Totalitarians disguised as “elected officials,” propaganda machines disguised as “news sources,” brainwashing disguised as “information,” censorship disguised as “public health safeguard,” panic and fear disguised as “social responsibility.”.....Here are some important points to consider:1) People who have experienced this virus do NOT need to wear face coverings, period.2) In the open environment, no one should be wearing face coverings. This is the one place where we can get an assist from nature to help reduce the virus molecules. Considering that less than 5% of transmissions have been associated with open environments (and identifiable activities not random encounters), the risk is truly small.3) A face covering may be useful when visiting an at-risk elderly person or in a controlled health care setting such as a hospital or nursing home. But, I think that these should be dispensed by trained personnel and should be focused on using Surgical masks wherever possible. The protection is not so much from viruses but face coverings may be more effective in preventing the spread of bacteria and fungi.4) Children should not be wearing face coverings. We all need constant interaction with our environments and that is especially true for children. This is how their immune system develops. They are the lowest of the low risk groups. Let them be kids and let them develop their immune systems.. 5) The “Mask Mandate” idea is a truly ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction and needs to be withdrawn and thrown in the waste bin of disastrous policy, along with lockdowns and school closures. You can vote for a person without blindly supporting all of their proposals!6) There may be other health risks associated with continued use of face coverings. While this is anecdotal, I have many physician acquaintances and they are all reporting increases in conditions that may be associated with face coverings, such as facial skin infections, nose/throat and sinus infections, even anxiety conditions. An area of concern is the change in breathing patterns that can be directly associated with face coverings. I train regularly. The only time that I wear a face covering is to gain entrance to the public gymnasium where I train (because it is required). The mask is discarded immediately when I start training, as most other people also do. The staff members do not make a fuss because they understand the dangers of doing exertion with a face covering.7) We also do not know enough about the possible consequences of forcing whole populations to adopt face coverings for extended periods. There may be both health and social consequences that we cannot consider at this time. Humans have developed as creatures whereby we interact with our environment. Our whole upper respiratory tract has developed immense defensive systems because of that. I am worried personally about “unnatural selection.” This is when human actions force a direction of evolution that would not otherwise occur. Often, the result is not good. But that is a whole different subject that needs to be considered.I think that people can see how truly complex and difficult it is to deal with a nanoparticle. It is something too complex for modeling, at least on the environmental scale. It should be clear that humans are only a small part of the equation. Stopping humans from being human will not stop the virus from being a virus! We certainly should not have let modeling be experimented with on a worldwide scale directing policy that we had no idea of the outcome; but we did. It should be readily apparent by this time that all of the lockdowns, masking, distancing, closures, etc. have had no effect on the virus. It is time to reverse course.Modeling could be useful in evaluating conditions in very limited and controlled settings. For example, it could be helpful to design infectious disease care units in hospitals. We could use modeling to examine our knowledge and use of air-handling, people movement and interactions in combination with molecule destruction, PPE, etc. to maybe develop better procedures to protect health care workers but also help reduce viral loads of patients. For example, would a simply designed, single pass individual exhaust unit that carries the expired air from a patient to a chemical scrubber help reduce the viral load of the environment? Could it also help the patient by reducing the local viral and bacterial load? Could it help reduce or eliminate the molecule from those environments? These and others are questions that can be modeled and then tested. Then, maybe it can be tried on a pilot scale. If that works, maybe we can expand the scale, fine tuning as we go, and maybe reach a point where it works well and it can be used on a larger scale. That is how science works. Start small, gain understanding, finetune, and expand. You do NOT use the whole world as a laboratory on the first shot!It is time for human beings to be human beings again. Stop trying to lay blame and guilt on people for a natural virus. If governments want to be helpful in reducing severe disease and deaths, imposing more laws and restrictions is not the answer. Rather, focus on educating people on how to better maintain their immune systems. Encourage healthier lifestyles through education and wellness programs, especially in the less fortunate of our society. Provide or encourage businesses to consider better sick leave alternatives for people in ALL jobs/vocations so that people are not driven by the choice of work to live or stay home and be sick.
No estoy seguro si se ha posteado este artículo aparecido en AIER,https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/Para seguir incidiendo en mi sesgo de confirmación sobre la absurdez de universalizar el uso de mascarillas más bien su uso taifa-universal y permanente), lo pongo. Y su artículo en general me recuerda más a la ciencia que conozco (o lo que entiendo por ciencia) que las diatribas de Taleb et al.Citar2020 is a year of disguises. Some examples include computer models/modelers disguised as “science/scientists,” Tyrants/Dictators/Totalitarians disguised as “elected officials,” propaganda machines disguised as “news sources,” brainwashing disguised as “information,” censorship disguised as “public health safeguard,” panic and fear disguised as “social responsibility.”.....Here are some important points to consider:1) People who have experienced this virus do NOT need to wear face coverings, period.2) In the open environment, no one should be wearing face coverings. This is the one place where we can get an assist from nature to help reduce the virus molecules. Considering that less than 5% of transmissions have been associated with open environments (and identifiable activities not random encounters), the risk is truly small.3) A face covering may be useful when visiting an at-risk elderly person or in a controlled health care setting such as a hospital or nursing home. But, I think that these should be dispensed by trained personnel and should be focused on using Surgical masks wherever possible. The protection is not so much from viruses but face coverings may be more effective in preventing the spread of bacteria and fungi.4) Children should not be wearing face coverings. We all need constant interaction with our environments and that is especially true for children. This is how their immune system develops. They are the lowest of the low risk groups. Let them be kids and let them develop their immune systems.. 5) The “Mask Mandate” idea is a truly ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction and needs to be withdrawn and thrown in the waste bin of disastrous policy, along with lockdowns and school closures. You can vote for a person without blindly supporting all of their proposals!6) There may be other health risks associated with continued use of face coverings. While this is anecdotal, I have many physician acquaintances and they are all reporting increases in conditions that may be associated with face coverings, such as facial skin infections, nose/throat and sinus infections, even anxiety conditions. An area of concern is the change in breathing patterns that can be directly associated with face coverings. I train regularly. The only time that I wear a face covering is to gain entrance to the public gymnasium where I train (because it is required). The mask is discarded immediately when I start training, as most other people also do. The staff members do not make a fuss because they understand the dangers of doing exertion with a face covering.7) We also do not know enough about the possible consequences of forcing whole populations to adopt face coverings for extended periods. There may be both health and social consequences that we cannot consider at this time. Humans have developed as creatures whereby we interact with our environment. Our whole upper respiratory tract has developed immense defensive systems because of that. I am worried personally about “unnatural selection.” This is when human actions force a direction of evolution that would not otherwise occur. Often, the result is not good. But that is a whole different subject that needs to be considered.I think that people can see how truly complex and difficult it is to deal with a nanoparticle. It is something too complex for modeling, at least on the environmental scale. It should be clear that humans are only a small part of the equation. Stopping humans from being human will not stop the virus from being a virus! We certainly should not have let modeling be experimented with on a worldwide scale directing policy that we had no idea of the outcome; but we did. It should be readily apparent by this time that all of the lockdowns, masking, distancing, closures, etc. have had no effect on the virus. It is time to reverse course.Modeling could be useful in evaluating conditions in very limited and controlled settings. For example, it could be helpful to design infectious disease care units in hospitals. We could use modeling to examine our knowledge and use of air-handling, people movement and interactions in combination with molecule destruction, PPE, etc. to maybe develop better procedures to protect health care workers but also help reduce viral loads of patients. For example, would a simply designed, single pass individual exhaust unit that carries the expired air from a patient to a chemical scrubber help reduce the viral load of the environment? Could it also help the patient by reducing the local viral and bacterial load? Could it help reduce or eliminate the molecule from those environments? These and others are questions that can be modeled and then tested. Then, maybe it can be tried on a pilot scale. If that works, maybe we can expand the scale, fine tuning as we go, and maybe reach a point where it works well and it can be used on a larger scale. That is how science works. Start small, gain understanding, finetune, and expand. You do NOT use the whole world as a laboratory on the first shot!It is time for human beings to be human beings again. Stop trying to lay blame and guilt on people for a natural virus. If governments want to be helpful in reducing severe disease and deaths, imposing more laws and restrictions is not the answer. Rather, focus on educating people on how to better maintain their immune systems. Encourage healthier lifestyles through education and wellness programs, especially in the less fortunate of our society. Provide or encourage businesses to consider better sick leave alternatives for people in ALL jobs/vocations so that people are not driven by the choice of work to live or stay home and be sick.
https://amp.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2020/11/24/5fbc956721efa0a6718b45a9.html?__twitter_impression=truePHARMAMAR LANZA UN NUEVO TEST PCR QUE DIFERENCIA EL COVID DE LA GRIPEGenomica, la empresa de diagnóstico molecular del Grupo PharmaMar, ha puesto a disposición de los hospitales o laboratorios de diagnóstico un nuevo test PCR para detectar de forma diferencial el Covid, la gripe A y B y el virus respiratorio sincitial (RSV), según ha informado este martes la farmacéutica a la Comisión Nacional del Mercado de Valores (CNMV), informa Europa Press.El nuevo test, que ya ha obtenido el marcado CE, ha completado con éxito las pruebas realizadas con muestras nasofaríngeas de pacientes con infecciones respiratorias en el Hospital Universitario La Paz, el Hospital Clínico Universitario de Valencia y el Hospital Universitario y Politécnico La Fe de Valencia, según ha precisado PharmaMar.Dichos test han obtenido sensibilidades de más del 95% y especificidades por encima del 99,7%.---¿Puede esto (junto con algún otro factor, por no ser categórico) explicar la completa desaparición de la gripe?Sds.
Debe ser que ya es suficiente el destrozo para que la población acepte el gran reset, que aprueban la vacuna La plandemia, nickelada. Como el ticket en el hilo madre...https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/02/pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-wins-licence-for-use-in-the-ukThe vaccine has been authorised for emergency use by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Authority (MHRA), ahead of decisions by the US and Europe. The MHRA was given power to approve the vaccine by the government under special regulations before 1 January, when it will become fully responsible for medicines authorisation in the UK after Brexit.The first doses of the vaccine will arrive in the coming days, said the company. The UK has bought 40m doses of the vaccine, which has been shown to have 95% efficacy in its final trials.
Lo que no me gustaría es perder derechos y libertades con la implantación de esta nueva visión.https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/the-great-reset-if-only-it-were-just-a-conspiracy/The Great Reset: If Only It Were Just a ConspiracyThe 'Great Reset' masterminded by the World Economic Forum is just corporatism by another name.Sds.
Cita de: Lurker en Diciembre 02, 2020, 13:45:40 pmLo que no me gustaría es perder derechos y libertades con la implantación de esta nueva visión.https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/the-great-reset-if-only-it-were-just-a-conspiracy/The Great Reset: If Only It Were Just a ConspiracyThe 'Great Reset' masterminded by the World Economic Forum is just corporatism by another name.Sds.Lurker, estaba viendo la pagina wiki de National Review, y me llevé la sorpresa de que la fundó William Buckley. Si no lo conoces, un gran periodista conservador popular en los 60 y 70, de aquellas en que ser conservador no era cool, con un nivel tan superior de lo que se ve ahora. Si tienes tiempo en youtube puedes ver la entrevista que le hizo a Muhammad Ali aquí. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxpuT1SNurU Cuando las entrevistas eran entrevistas
Mil euros de multa por rechazar la vacuna contra el Covid siendo persona de riesgoSanidad apuesta por modificar el decreto de estado de alarma, vigente durante el plan de vacunación, para introducir la obligatoriedad junto a fuertes sanciones por negarse