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Diaporama sobre Ucrania del 900 hasta hoy (francés)http://www.la-croix.com/Actualite/Europe/DIAPORAMA-Depuis-le-Moyen-Age-l-Ukraine-un-territoire-dispute-2014-03-08-1117030De hecho, historicamente, es cuna de Rusia,en 900 San VLadimir rey de los Rous' se convierte al cristianismo en el s13, La Rous' se convierte en Rusiaen el s14, invasion de los tartaros que conservan Crimea hasta el s16
Los varangios, varegos, varengos o varyags (del nórdico antiguo: Væringjar; en griego: Βάραγγοι, Βαριάγοι, Varangoi, Variagoi; en ruso y ucraniano: Варяги, Varyagi/Varyahy) eran vikingos suecos1 2 que fueron hacia el este y el sur a través de lo que hoy es Rusia, Bielorrusia y Ucrania, principalmente en los siglos IX y X....Según la Crónica de Néstor, o Primera crónica del Estado medieval del Rus de Kiev, recopilada aproximadamente en 1113,3 los grupos varegos incluían los escandinavos conocidos como rus, al igual que algunos conocidos como suecos, normandos, anglos, gotlanders, etc.4 Pero debido en gran parte a consideraciones geográficas, la mayoría de los varegos que viajaron y se instalaron en el Báltico oriental, Rusia y los territorios del sur, vinieron de la zona de la Suecia moderna Forte.5
As Ukraine crisis deepens, Russia's neighbors boost defenses By Andrius Sytas and Pawel BernatU.S. fighter jets go to Lithuania as the crisis in Ukraine deepens. Poland talks about modernizing its military. Latvia calls for more defense spending. Traditionally neutral Sweden calls for a "doctrinal shift" in defense. After a sense of playing second fiddle for years while NATO's eyes were on wars such as Afghanistan, some European countries near Russia's borders are now planning to spend more money on defense as well as hoping for more NATO resources .Many government officials in the region have felt for years that their warnings of Russian assertiveness have fallen on deaf ears in Washington and with NATO. Suddenly, as Russia seizes control of Ukraine's Crimea region, they are relishing new-found attention - and with it plans to expand defenses from fighter jets to missile systems.Some plans may be small in European terms - Lithuania's total defense budget, for example, is around 280 million euros ($390 million). But, often accompanied by anti-Russian rhetoric, the moves reflect how the region's security is now back on the agenda."After the events in Ukraine, the Russian aggression, the need to increase spending will be better understood by Lithuanian people, and there will be more support for it," Lithuania Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.President Vladimir Putin's justification for intervening in Ukraine to protect Russian speakers there has alarmed many in the Baltics, which have their own ethnic Russian minorities whose rights Moscow says are being undermined.The Baltics and Poland were all part of the Soviet bloc until just over two decades ago. They have long harbored deep suspicions about Moscow's intentions in the region as they increasingly turn to the West. All are now members of the European Union and the NATO military alliance."There has been a concern that U.S. and NATO are focusing on other parts in the world, such as Afghanistan or China, and not giving enough attention to Eastern Europe," said Allan Sikk, a senior lecturer at the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies at University College London.After Russia's military intervention in Georgia in 2008, NATO was reported to have organized a Baltic defence contingency plan - something new for the region, but on which the alliance declines to comment."My guess is that there is a longer term change now in the cards, and it will be a major change," said Sikk.LONG CRITICAL OF RUSSIAThere is an element of "I told you so" in the Baltics, a region that has long been one of the most vocal against Russia.Even before the Ukraine crisis, the region was worried about Moscow. NATO scrambled jets more than 40 times to check on Russian jets approaching Baltic borders last year. That compares to once in 2004 when NATO first began patrolling here.The Pentagon is now ramping up the number of U.S. fighter jets on a NATO air patrol mission in the Baltics and do more training with Poland's air force."Russia is a threat to the whole of Europe. And Europe must finally understand what it is dealing with," Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said in Brussels on Thursday.Only a few years ago Grybauskaite called for a defence spending freeze. Now she has become more hawkish."Life always gives many corrections, including to political decisions," Grybauskaite said. "Regional security is very important. Certain changes (to defence spending) are likely."In the last few years Polish officials have questioned, in private, whether the Obama administration is fully focused on the security of NATO members in Eastern Europe. Many felt let down after Obama scaled back a planned missile defence shield.Even before the Ukraine crisis broke, Poland planned to spend some $45 billion in the next decade to build a new missile defence system and upgrade its weapons systems, including transport helicopters and tanks.After Russia's build up in Crimea, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk was even more bullish. "The conflict," he said "should accelerate the modernization of the Polish army."The U.S. military will send 12 F-16 fighter jets and 300 service personnel to Poland next week for a training exercise that has been expanded since the Ukraine crisis.In Sweden, which has strong ties to the Baltics, Finance Minister Anders Borg said Russia was "a bit more erratic and unpredictable" and called for more defence spending.His statement came a day after Sweden moved two fighter jets to Gotland, a Baltic island almost demilitarized in recent years due to spending cuts. Deputy Prime Minister Jan Bjorklund called this week for a "doctrinal shift" in Swedish defence policy. There has been talk of Sweden fully joining NATO.Still there are limits and talk of increased defence may fade if they is a quick resolution to the crisis.Lithuania only spends about 0.8 percent of its GDP on defence. Its abilities to increase defence spending are restricted by its plans to adopt the euro, above all the need to keep the budget deficit under control."The only change will probably be more praise for the army, but not more money," said Kestutis Girnius, an associate professor at Vilnius Institute of International Relations and Political Science.
¿A alguien se le ocurre porqué Rusia se pone tan farruca?Crimea ya es Rusa, es cuestión de tiempo, con o sin referéndum, sin que los rusos tengan que hacer nada.¿Se temen que si ahora se repliegan el oponente militarizaría Crimea? Eso no lo van a permitir, quedarse con su base militar alquilada en territorio OTAN. Pero... e igual estoy flipando... Es que ni siquiera así. ¿USA (Ucrania con apoyo logístico USA, supongo) se metería a ocupar Crimea en la puerta de Rusia, con media población echada al monte y dispuesta a todo? Nadie puede ser tan necio. Si los rusos se retiran de Crimea, el que entre de fuera está condenado. ¿o no?Entonces, si Rusia está en un Win-Win, ¿porqué no deja que acabe la partida? ¿Estarán ganando tiempo para algo? Ahora mismo no dejan ni entrar a los observadores de la OSCE.
En realidad, son suecos. Siguiendo esa lógica histórica, deberían unirse a Suecia y aceptar Estocolmo como su capital. CitarLos varangios, varegos, varengos o varyags (del nórdico antiguo: Væringjar; en griego: Βάραγγοι, Βαριάγοι, Varangoi, Variagoi; en ruso y ucraniano: Варяги, Varyagi/Varyahy) eran vikingos suecos1 2 que fueron hacia el este y el sur a través de lo que hoy es Rusia, Bielorrusia y Ucrania, principalmente en los siglos IX y X....Según la Crónica de Néstor, o Primera crónica del Estado medieval del Rus de Kiev, recopilada aproximadamente en 1113,3 los grupos varegos incluían los escandinavos conocidos como rus, al igual que algunos conocidos como suecos, normandos, anglos, gotlanders, etc.4 Pero debido en gran parte a consideraciones geográficas, la mayoría de los varegos que viajaron y se instalaron en el Báltico oriental, Rusia y los territorios del sur, vinieron de la zona de la Suecia moderna Forte.5https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varegos¿Para cuándo una reclamación por Suecia de sus derechos históricos ancestrales a Rusia?
According to a german moscow correspodent there ist talk now to incorporate Abkhazia and South Ossetia into russia proper too once the new law governing the accession of new territories has passed the duma (apparently yet another law since one regarding the issue has already been passed)http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/krim212.html
Russian Deputy Premier promises to guarantee rights of Russians from Transnistriahttp://www.moldova.org/russian-deputy-premier-promises-guarantee-rights-russians-transnistria/
¡Bien! Estamos todos de acuerdo, pues.(*)Naciones territoriales, como no haya fronteras naturales (bien visto Talivan) pues que les den. Somos pueblos, idiomas, tradiciones, y familias. Y además con tendencia a ser móviles en ausencia de fronteras físicas naturales.Pero entonces, el análisis en término de "lucha de naciones", ¿por qué insistimos tanto en ello?Digo yo: nos lo han metido en la cabeza. ¿En la cabeza? En la cabeza : eso no existe.Entonces, por mucho que seamos (y muchos) los que creamos en Naciones=Territorios,razonar lo que nos pasa como conflictos nacionales, no por ser muchos puede ser más verdad.Y ahí tenéis nuestra historia para confirmarnos el grado demencial de nuestra locura.Al grano: sobre Ucrania, hay dos preguntas:1-- Si en Ucrania hay pueblos Europeos, lo que es Ucrania-Territoriol=[∅](1) es lo de menos, y horizonte es saber si tendremos Chipre2.0, desmembración de Crimea/Este, o simplemente disolución territorial.2-- Pongamos que el argumento "Naciones territoriales = ∅" sólo vale para... el continente Europeo ¿Donde acaba Europa? je,je. ¿Forma Rusia parte de Europa, como pueblo?(1) ∅[ ∅] (UNicode=#8709)(*) El diaporama (y los titulares del árticulo) lo traje porque el otro día un forero contaba que estuvo buscando qué era eso de "Ucrania".
El gran problema de esa parte del continente, que en España no podemos imaginar por lo estable de nuestras fronteras (gracias a la naturaleza porque el problema de la Europa centro-oriental es que es una enorme planicie desde los Carpatos hacia el Este), es que abundan los países "móviles" (Polonia) y las amputaciones recientes (Prusia, Silesia, Galitzia, Rutenia...)con enormes y sangrientas reingenierias demográficas. La Ucrania actual coincide en algunas partes con la histórica pero en otras muchas (precisamente el Occidente rebelde) es un engendro con menos de 3 generaciones de vigencia.