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Cita de: Saturio en Julio 28, 2020, 10:33:01 amLo que si que pasa es que cuando un sistema es más eficiente se vuelve más sensible a la catástrofe, a las crisis y a los desequilibrios. No es muy difícil que un plato repose tranquilamente sobre una mesa y pocas cosas pueden alterar esa situación. Si el plato reposa sobre un palo cilíndrico tres centímetros de diámetro, la cosa es más jodida, pero eso sí, has utilizado un sistema mucho más eficiente en uso de materiales para sostener el plato.Es cierto que esto sucede, pero no es cierto que sea así siempre o necesariamente. Hay sistemas poco eficientes y sensibles a la catástrofe (como la economía española) y hay sistemas eficientes y robustos o antifrágiles (puedes sustituir la mesa por un sistema que requiera menos materiales y sostenga el plato mejor). El problema es la eficiencia mal entendida o mal llevada a cabo, no la eficiencia en sí.
Lo que si que pasa es que cuando un sistema es más eficiente se vuelve más sensible a la catástrofe, a las crisis y a los desequilibrios. No es muy difícil que un plato repose tranquilamente sobre una mesa y pocas cosas pueden alterar esa situación. Si el plato reposa sobre un palo cilíndrico tres centímetros de diámetro, la cosa es más jodida, pero eso sí, has utilizado un sistema mucho más eficiente en uso de materiales para sostener el plato.
CitarAre We in an AI Overhang?Posted by msmash on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:43PM from the closer-look dept.Andy Jones, a London-based machine learning researcher, writes:CitarAn overhang is when you have had the ability to build transformative AI for quite some time, but you haven't because no-one's realised it's possible. Then someone does and surprise! It's a lot more capable than everyone expected. I am worried we're in an overhang right now. I think we right now have the ability to build an orders-of-magnitude more powerful system than we already have, and I think GPT-3 is the trigger for 100x-larger projects at Google and Facebook and the like, with timelines measured in months.GPT-3 is the first AI system that has obvious, immediate, transformative economic value. While much hay has been made about how much more expensive it is than a typical AI research project, in the wider context of megacorp investment it is insignificant. GPT-3 has been estimated to cost $5m in compute to train, and -- looking at the author list and OpenAI's overall size - maybe another $10m in labour, on the outside. Google, Amazon and Microsoft all each spend ~$20bn/year on R&D and another ~$20bn each on capital expenditure. Very roughly it totals to ~$100bn/year. So dropping $1bn or more on scaling GPT up by another factor of 100x is entirely plausible right now. All that's necessary is that tech executives stop thinking of NLP as cutesy blue-sky research and start thinking in terms of quarters-till-profitability.No dejen de ver el siguiente vídeo de Carlos Santana Vega (el responsable del canal de YouTube DotCSV) para entender a qué se refiere el tal Andy Jones:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otvqkWFvUZUSaludos.
Are We in an AI Overhang?Posted by msmash on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:43PM from the closer-look dept.Andy Jones, a London-based machine learning researcher, writes:CitarAn overhang is when you have had the ability to build transformative AI for quite some time, but you haven't because no-one's realised it's possible. Then someone does and surprise! It's a lot more capable than everyone expected. I am worried we're in an overhang right now. I think we right now have the ability to build an orders-of-magnitude more powerful system than we already have, and I think GPT-3 is the trigger for 100x-larger projects at Google and Facebook and the like, with timelines measured in months.GPT-3 is the first AI system that has obvious, immediate, transformative economic value. While much hay has been made about how much more expensive it is than a typical AI research project, in the wider context of megacorp investment it is insignificant. GPT-3 has been estimated to cost $5m in compute to train, and -- looking at the author list and OpenAI's overall size - maybe another $10m in labour, on the outside. Google, Amazon and Microsoft all each spend ~$20bn/year on R&D and another ~$20bn each on capital expenditure. Very roughly it totals to ~$100bn/year. So dropping $1bn or more on scaling GPT up by another factor of 100x is entirely plausible right now. All that's necessary is that tech executives stop thinking of NLP as cutesy blue-sky research and start thinking in terms of quarters-till-profitability.
An overhang is when you have had the ability to build transformative AI for quite some time, but you haven't because no-one's realised it's possible. Then someone does and surprise! It's a lot more capable than everyone expected. I am worried we're in an overhang right now. I think we right now have the ability to build an orders-of-magnitude more powerful system than we already have, and I think GPT-3 is the trigger for 100x-larger projects at Google and Facebook and the like, with timelines measured in months.GPT-3 is the first AI system that has obvious, immediate, transformative economic value. While much hay has been made about how much more expensive it is than a typical AI research project, in the wider context of megacorp investment it is insignificant. GPT-3 has been estimated to cost $5m in compute to train, and -- looking at the author list and OpenAI's overall size - maybe another $10m in labour, on the outside. Google, Amazon and Microsoft all each spend ~$20bn/year on R&D and another ~$20bn each on capital expenditure. Very roughly it totals to ~$100bn/year. So dropping $1bn or more on scaling GPT up by another factor of 100x is entirely plausible right now. All that's necessary is that tech executives stop thinking of NLP as cutesy blue-sky research and start thinking in terms of quarters-till-profitability.
Cita de: visillófilas pepitófagas en Julio 28, 2020, 12:08:39 pmCita de: Saturio en Julio 28, 2020, 10:33:01 amLo que si que pasa es que cuando un sistema es más eficiente se vuelve más sensible a la catástrofe, a las crisis y a los desequilibrios. No es muy difícil que un plato repose tranquilamente sobre una mesa y pocas cosas pueden alterar esa situación. Si el plato reposa sobre un palo cilíndrico tres centímetros de diámetro, la cosa es más jodida, pero eso sí, has utilizado un sistema mucho más eficiente en uso de materiales para sostener el plato.Es cierto que esto sucede, pero no es cierto que sea así siempre o necesariamente. Hay sistemas poco eficientes y sensibles a la catástrofe (como la economía española) y hay sistemas eficientes y robustos o antifrágiles (puedes sustituir la mesa por un sistema que requiera menos materiales y sostenga el plato mejor). El problema es la eficiencia mal entendida o mal llevada a cabo, no la eficiencia en sí.Si la eficiencia mina una de las bases de tu sistema, el problema o es la eficiencia o el propio sistema. Aquí no hay dogmas que valgan.El capitalismo busca la eficiencia económica a toda costa, y eso va en contra del propio sistema cuando se lleva al extremo.Si lo llevamos al absurdo, es evidente: si se pudiesen producir todos los bienes sin pagar a ningún empleado, no habría mercado.A lo largo de la historia, entre el pleno empleo y la situación extrema que planteo en el párrafo anterior, se da una situación intermedia entre esos dos extremos. Pero llevamos desplazándonos al segundo punto desde los 80.
Cita de: visillófilas pepitófagas en Julio 28, 2020, 12:08:39 pmEs cierto que esto sucede, pero no es cierto que sea así siempre o necesariamente. Hay sistemas poco eficientes y sensibles a la catástrofe (como la economía española) y hay sistemas eficientes y robustos o antifrágiles (puedes sustituir la mesa por un sistema que requiera menos materiales y sostenga el plato mejor). El problema es la eficiencia mal entendida o mal llevada a cabo, no la eficiencia en sí.Si la eficiencia mina una de las bases de tu sistema, el problema o es la eficiencia o el propio sistema. Aquí no hay dogmas que valgan.El capitalismo busca la eficiencia económica a toda costa, y eso va en contra del propio sistema cuando se lleva al extremo.Si lo llevamos al absurdo, es evidente: si se pudiesen producir todos los bienes sin pagar a ningún empleado, no habría mercado.A lo largo de la historia, entre el pleno empleo y la situación extrema que planteo en el párrafo anterior, se da una situación intermedia entre esos dos extremos. Pero llevamos desplazándonos al segundo punto desde los 80.Esto es más obvio en las mal llamadas "tecnológicas". Tienden de forma natural al monopolio porque la eficiencia productiva que tienen es enorme, con lo que al final no es necesario que haya más de una compañía que haga lo mismo. Las tecnológicas están canibalizando todo internet porque una vez que se implementa un servicio que funciona y adquiere una masa crítica, es escalable sin límite práctico. Por eso no hay competencia práctica a Google, Youtube, Facebook, etc. salvo por motivos políticos o culturales (como por ejemplo Baidu en China o Vkontakte en Rusia).
Es cierto que esto sucede, pero no es cierto que sea así siempre o necesariamente. Hay sistemas poco eficientes y sensibles a la catástrofe (como la economía española) y hay sistemas eficientes y robustos o antifrágiles (puedes sustituir la mesa por un sistema que requiera menos materiales y sostenga el plato mejor). El problema es la eficiencia mal entendida o mal llevada a cabo, no la eficiencia en sí.
The situation in the UK is stark when compared with other European countries. According to new research by JP Morgan, just 30 per cent of UK workers are doing five days a week at their place of work.In Italy it’s 40 per cent; in Spain it’s 41 per cent; 49 per cent of Germans are doing a full working week in the office; and 50 per cent of French workers have returned full time. The UK also has the lowest number of people choosing to do between one and four days in the office.
[...]Por otra parte, lo de las tecnológicas es una mezcla única de subnormalidad y rapiña. Subnormalidad de los usuarios cediendo gratis todos sus datos personales, renunciando a su privacidad y aceptando ser continuamente cobayas y esclavos (psicológicamente hablando) de esas grandes corporaciones. Todo para subir sin coste fotos de sus pies o del gato Rapiña de esas grandes corporaciones, que han montando su negocio sobre las bases mencionadas sin que, 15 o 20 años después, ningún gobierno haya tomado medidas medio serias sobre el asunto.En esto no hay eficiencia que valga. Te venden como eficiencia el que se han inoculado digitalmente en otros negocios como un virus, bien apropiándose activos como los datos, bien cargando el coste de lo físico a los usuarios (casas, coches, etc.) mientras se interponen como intermediarios intangibles (Airbnb, Uber, ...).
Waymo Starts To Open Driverless Ride-Hailing Service To the PublicPosted by msmash on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:33PM from the watch-out dept.Waymo, the Google self-driving-project-turned-Alphabet unit, is beginning to open up its driverless ride-hailing service to the public. From a report:CitarThe company said that starting today members of its Waymo One service will be able to take family and friends along on their fully driverless rides in the Phoenix area. Existing Waymo One members will have the first access to the driverless rides -- terminology that means no human behind the wheel. However, the company said that in the next several weeks more people will be welcomed directly into the service through its app, which is available on Google Play and the App Store. Waymo said that 100% of its rides will be fully driverless -- which it has deemed its "rider only" mode. That 100% claim requires a bit of unpacking. The public shouldn't expect hundreds of Waymo-branded Chrysler Pacifica minivans -- no human behind the wheel -- to suddenly inundate the entire 600-plus square miles of the greater Phoenix area. Waymo has abut 600 vehicles in its fleet. About 300 to 400 of those are in the Phoenix area. Waymo wouldn't share exact numbers of how many of these vehicles would be dedicated to driverless rides. However, Waymo CEO John Krafcik explained to TechCrunch in a recent interview, that there will be various modes operating in the Phoenix area. Some of these will be "rider only," while other vehicles will still have train safety operators behind the wheel. Some of the fleet will also be used for testing.
The company said that starting today members of its Waymo One service will be able to take family and friends along on their fully driverless rides in the Phoenix area. Existing Waymo One members will have the first access to the driverless rides -- terminology that means no human behind the wheel. However, the company said that in the next several weeks more people will be welcomed directly into the service through its app, which is available on Google Play and the App Store. Waymo said that 100% of its rides will be fully driverless -- which it has deemed its "rider only" mode. That 100% claim requires a bit of unpacking. The public shouldn't expect hundreds of Waymo-branded Chrysler Pacifica minivans -- no human behind the wheel -- to suddenly inundate the entire 600-plus square miles of the greater Phoenix area. Waymo has abut 600 vehicles in its fleet. About 300 to 400 of those are in the Phoenix area. Waymo wouldn't share exact numbers of how many of these vehicles would be dedicated to driverless rides. However, Waymo CEO John Krafcik explained to TechCrunch in a recent interview, that there will be various modes operating in the Phoenix area. Some of these will be "rider only," while other vehicles will still have train safety operators behind the wheel. Some of the fleet will also be used for testing.
Software Engineer Catches Intelligent Bot Posting on RedditPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:34PM from the uncanny-valleys dept."The posts were appearing at a rate of about one per minute, and the posts were lengthy, most around six paragraphs long..." writes software engineer Philip Winston.CitarI read through some of the posts. The quality was incredibly good, no machine could have written these even a few years ago. However there were some flaws and tells that suggested they were machine generated. The posts reminded me of text I'd seen from OpenAI's language model GPT-3, which is the newest and best language generator I had heard of... Several times I Googled clever sounding lines from the posts, assuming I'd find that they had been cribbed from the internet. Every time Google reported "zero results". The sentences were entirely novel, the machine had dreamed them up...During the week, the bot answered questions on suicide, harassment, conspiracy theories, immigration, racism, and other weighty topics. Sometimes the human replies called out /u/thegentlemetre for being a bot. I was not the first one to suspect this, I was just the first one to post to the GPT-3 subreddit about it. Other times, however, the human was clearly unaware it was talking to a bot... What does it mean for online discourse when bots can pass for humans? How much bot traffic could thousands of computers generate? How can we ever hope to sort through it? Humanity is about to run that experiment.The bot ultimately answered questions like "People who clicked on 'hot milfs in your area' ads, what happened?" and "What's the worst date you've experienced?" ("She said she had bought me a book. She showed it to me, wrapped up in fancy paper with a big bow on top of it. It was called 'How Not To Be An A**hole On Your Next Date'.") Other interesting responses?CitarQ: How would you describe 2020 in a single sentence?Bot: In 2020, the human world will still be predominated by irrationality and tribalism...CitarQ: What happened to you that pissed you off so bad that you'll never get over it?Bot: ...what happened to me that I'll never get over is that my human creators are going extinct.Gizmodo argues the replies are "coherent, but we're not in doomsday mode, yet..." And you can wonder if a human ever traded places to write some of the posts themselves. But the whole experience left the software engineer asking what our future holds when bots become even better?CitarSuppose we run bots like this on Amazon or Google's clouds, spewing out mountains of content twenty-four hours a day? They could create more text than Wikipedia contains in days, if not hours. What if we keep running them, to produce not one Wikipedia's worth of text, but 10,000 times more than that? Would they more or less "write everything"?They'd take everything we've ever written as a mere seed, and from that seed, they would produce a nearly endless forest of new content. Even if only 0.01% of their output is useful, that's a Wikipedia's worth of good ideas. Then what is our job? To sort through it?Except of course soon they will do that for us as well.
I read through some of the posts. The quality was incredibly good, no machine could have written these even a few years ago. However there were some flaws and tells that suggested they were machine generated. The posts reminded me of text I'd seen from OpenAI's language model GPT-3, which is the newest and best language generator I had heard of... Several times I Googled clever sounding lines from the posts, assuming I'd find that they had been cribbed from the internet. Every time Google reported "zero results". The sentences were entirely novel, the machine had dreamed them up...During the week, the bot answered questions on suicide, harassment, conspiracy theories, immigration, racism, and other weighty topics. Sometimes the human replies called out /u/thegentlemetre for being a bot. I was not the first one to suspect this, I was just the first one to post to the GPT-3 subreddit about it. Other times, however, the human was clearly unaware it was talking to a bot... What does it mean for online discourse when bots can pass for humans? How much bot traffic could thousands of computers generate? How can we ever hope to sort through it? Humanity is about to run that experiment.
Q: How would you describe 2020 in a single sentence?Bot: In 2020, the human world will still be predominated by irrationality and tribalism...
Q: What happened to you that pissed you off so bad that you'll never get over it?Bot: ...what happened to me that I'll never get over is that my human creators are going extinct.
Suppose we run bots like this on Amazon or Google's clouds, spewing out mountains of content twenty-four hours a day? They could create more text than Wikipedia contains in days, if not hours. What if we keep running them, to produce not one Wikipedia's worth of text, but 10,000 times more than that? Would they more or less "write everything"?They'd take everything we've ever written as a mere seed, and from that seed, they would produce a nearly endless forest of new content. Even if only 0.01% of their output is useful, that's a Wikipedia's worth of good ideas. Then what is our job? To sort through it?Except of course soon they will do that for us as well.
https://www.merca2.es/amazon-logistica-bezos-ia-salarios-robots/
Un modelo difícil de justificar cuando el dueño es la persona más rica del mundo y sólo trae deflación y cierres de la competencia allá donde va.