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La venganza se sirve en frio?Grecia cede en su pulso con Berlín y acepta solicitar una prórroga de seis meses en el rescate que vencía este mismo mes. El encargado de anunciarlo ha sido el presidente del Eurogrupo, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, de una forma [todavía] poco ortodoxa: a través de su cuenta de Twitter. El acuerdo incluye la prórroga técnica del acuerdo que firmó el Gobierno de Antonis Samaras con la troika y que entró en vigor el 1 de enero pasado. Ahora, se firmará previsiblemente un nuevo acuerdo tomando como base este acuerdo que está a punto de expirarhttp://cincodias.com/cincodias/2015/02/19/mercados/1424338882_325428.html
Lo que está sucediendo es que nos están sometiendo a un proceso de *saqueo* CALCADO, a los procesos neoliberales que practicaron con latinoamérica con la excusa de la "crisis de la deuda" desde los 70, 80 y 90
Qué venganza ni qué platos fríos? Grecia ha solicitado la extensión de la ayuda financiera por seis meses que no la prórroga del programa de rescate al Eurogrupo que expira el próximo 28 de febrero, que es donde está el meollo.Mientras tanto y para atemperar el Juncker soltando eso de "Hemos pecado contra la dignidad de griegos, portugueses e irlandeses".Queda mucha tela que cortar.
[...] Los socios de la Zona euro, con Alemania a la cabeza, habían vuelto a advertir ayer que, al margen de los juegos de palabras, el primer ministro griego, Alexis Tsipras, no tiene otra alternativa que asumir los compromisos adquiridos por Gobiernos anteriores en nombre del Estado griego. Una vez que Atenas ha aceptado esa premisa, todas las capitales parecen dispuestas a flexibilizar las condiciones del rescate y a otorgar cierto margen de maniobra presupuestaria para que el Gobierno de Syriza lleve a cabo parte de su programa electoral. [...]
Respecto a las negociaciones de GreciaSin duda llegarán a un acuerdo, a los dos les interesa.Ahora están jugando al Juego de la gallina, los dos se aproximan a alta velocidad hacia el precipicio, el primero que frene pierde, todo postureo, pura imagen, no importa lo que uno consiga, sino dejar claro ante tus votantes que lo has logrado, dejando la verdad a un pequeño grupo de expertos.El juego de llegar al precipicio es para mostrarse duros ante la población, nada nuevo.Lo único malo de este modo de negociación es que hace perder mucho tiempo.
Alemania ya ha rechazado la propuesta. "La carta de Atenas no cumple con los criterios acordados en el Eurogrupo el lunes", ha afirmado el portavoz del ministro alemán de Finanzas, Wolfgang Schäuble, en un breve comunicado. "No es una propuesta sustancial para una solución. (…) En verdad tiene como objetivo la financiación puente, sin cumplir los requisitos del programa".[...]
Reuters says the message from Greece is that eurogroup finance ministers have two options tomorrow - accept the deal it has put on the table or reject it.19-Feb-2015 14:29 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP TOMORROW HAS ONLY TWO OPTIONS, TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT OFFER MADE BY GREECE TODAY19-Feb-2015 14:30 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP’S DECISION WILL SHOW WHO WANTS A SOLUTION AND WHO DOES NOT
Comments by former French president Valery Giscard d’Estaing re Greece leaving the euro zone have caused some commotion.The former president, who worked hard to promote Greece’s entry to the European Union described Athens’ admission to the single currency in 2001 as “evidently a mistake” this morning and advocated that the debt-stricken now make a “friendly exit.”
Germany has rejected a Greek request for a six-month extension to its eurozone loan programme.The rejection came despite the European Commission calling the Greek request "positive" only minutes earlier.Greece had sought a new six-month assistance package, rather than a renewal of the existing deal that comes with tough austerity conditions.However, a German finance ministry spokesman said it was "not a substantial proposal for a solution".The BBC's Mark Lowen in Athens says Germany's rejection of the Greek proposal suggested "a rift between Brussels and Berlin at the very highest level"."It's not yet clear which side will prevail, and which side will give ground, but clearly the hopes that Greece was moving towards a deal... have been thrown into doubt once again."The Greek request letter includes a pledge to maintain "fiscal balance" for a six-month period, while it negotiates with eurozone partners over long-term growth and debt reduction.The Greek government was also reported as saying that its extension proposal was in order to give Athens enough time, without the threat of "blackmail and time deficits", to draw up a new agreement with Europe for growth over the next four years.The German finance ministry spokesman said the Greek request was an attempt at "bridge financing, without meeting the requirements of the programme. The letter does not meet the criteria agreed upon in the Eurogroup on Monday."'Positive sign'But shortly before the German rejection of the proposal, a European Commission spokesman said that Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker regarded the letter as a "positive sign, which, in his assessment, could pave the way for a reasonable compromise in the interest of the financial stability in the euro area as a whole"."The detailed assessment of the [Greek loan] letter and the response is now up to the Eurogroup," the spokesman added, referring to the discussions due to take place on Friday when European finance ministers meet in Brussels.line break Analysis: Damien McGuinness, BBC correspondent, BerlinThe main problem between Greece and Germany is an ideological one: Athens wants to stop saving and start spending to get out of the crisis.But Berlin believes that's exactly what caused the crisis in the first place, and remains convinced that the only path to long-term economic health is to make Greece more competitive.To make matters worse Berlin is clearly frustrated by Greece's negotiating tactics. Newspaper commentators accuse Athens of theatrical grandstanding - rather than constructively finding a compromise. And the occasional references to Nazis - such as a recent cartoon in a pro-Syriza newspaper depicting German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble in a World War Two German army uniform - have clearly not helped.In a radio interview Mr Schaeuble said he had a thick skin. But also added that it's unwise to insult the people you're asking to help you.There is however also a lot of sympathy in Germany for the plight of Greek people. And an awareness of the importance of keeping Greece in the Eurozone. But increasingly it seems, not at any price.lineFriday's vote on the Greek proposals must be unanimous. If no agreement appears likely before the ministers gather, the meeting could be postponed.The uncertainty was reflected on stock markets, with the FTSE 100 and Frankfurt's DAX index both losing early gains after Germany's rejection.Mirabaud Securities trader John Plassard said: "Investors think that even if a deal is reached, it won't mean that the 'Greek issue' will be resolved. There will be serious doubts on whether Greece will fully implement the agreement."Greece faces running out of money by the end of the month without a deal and deposits continue to flow out of its banks.
Popular tabloid Bild has a double-page spread featuring pictures of Vladimir Putin and Alexis Tsipras with the headline: "The Russian or the Greek: who is more dangerous for us?" Underneath it says: "Europe is in the most difficult crisis it's seen for decades -- because two heads of government are aggressively demonstrating their power."A commentary in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says: "The Greek government appears to believe it can treat its partners like fools," accusing the Greek government of using Brussels like a stage for theatrics, adding that many people have simply had enough.And the business paper Handelsblatt says the request for a loan extension changes very little. "It remains unclear whether Athens is willing to meet the conditions set by its creditors." And that, the paper says, is crucial for the meeting of European finance ministers on Friday.
Se ha dicho por aquí cienes de veces y estoy en la misma línea: es un problema político, no económico.Si Bruselas cede considerablemente ante Grecia, el resto de países en la misma situación pedirían las mismas condiciones dado el precedente sentado. Ahora Schäuble ha de hacer de poli malo porque Italia, Portugal y España (?) tienen los ojos puestos en el proceso.Saludos
Seguimos tensando la cuerda, hasta el último minuto. (click to show/hide)CitarReuters says the message from Greece is that eurogroup finance ministers have two options tomorrow - accept the deal it has put on the table or reject it.19-Feb-2015 14:29 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP TOMORROW HAS ONLY TWO OPTIONS, TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT OFFER MADE BY GREECE TODAY19-Feb-2015 14:30 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP’S DECISION WILL SHOW WHO WANTS A SOLUTION AND WHO DOES NOTCitarComments by former French president Valery Giscard d’Estaing re Greece leaving the euro zone have caused some commotion.The former president, who worked hard to promote Greece’s entry to the European Union described Athens’ admission to the single currency in 2001 as “evidently a mistake” this morning and advocated that the debt-stricken now make a “friendly exit.”Igual les acaban dando la patada.Es un escenario que muchos contemplan, hacer de Grecia un ejemplo para que los países que importan no sigan esta vía (Italia, España, incluso Francia). Grecia por su tamaño sería el chivo expiatorio más propicio para ello.---------http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31532755CitarGermany has rejected a Greek request for a six-month extension to its eurozone loan programme.The rejection came despite the European Commission calling the Greek request "positive" only minutes earlier.Greece had sought a new six-month assistance package, rather than a renewal of the existing deal that comes with tough austerity conditions.However, a German finance ministry spokesman said it was "not a substantial proposal for a solution".The BBC's Mark Lowen in Athens says Germany's rejection of the Greek proposal suggested "a rift between Brussels and Berlin at the very highest level"."It's not yet clear which side will prevail, and which side will give ground, but clearly the hopes that Greece was moving towards a deal... have been thrown into doubt once again."The Greek request letter includes a pledge to maintain "fiscal balance" for a six-month period, while it negotiates with eurozone partners over long-term growth and debt reduction.The Greek government was also reported as saying that its extension proposal was in order to give Athens enough time, without the threat of "blackmail and time deficits", to draw up a new agreement with Europe for growth over the next four years.The German finance ministry spokesman said the Greek request was an attempt at "bridge financing, without meeting the requirements of the programme. The letter does not meet the criteria agreed upon in the Eurogroup on Monday."'Positive sign'But shortly before the German rejection of the proposal, a European Commission spokesman said that Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker regarded the letter as a "positive sign, which, in his assessment, could pave the way for a reasonable compromise in the interest of the financial stability in the euro area as a whole"."The detailed assessment of the [Greek loan] letter and the response is now up to the Eurogroup," the spokesman added, referring to the discussions due to take place on Friday when European finance ministers meet in Brussels.line break Analysis: Damien McGuinness, BBC correspondent, BerlinThe main problem between Greece and Germany is an ideological one: Athens wants to stop saving and start spending to get out of the crisis.But Berlin believes that's exactly what caused the crisis in the first place, and remains convinced that the only path to long-term economic health is to make Greece more competitive.To make matters worse Berlin is clearly frustrated by Greece's negotiating tactics. Newspaper commentators accuse Athens of theatrical grandstanding - rather than constructively finding a compromise. And the occasional references to Nazis - such as a recent cartoon in a pro-Syriza newspaper depicting German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble in a World War Two German army uniform - have clearly not helped.In a radio interview Mr Schaeuble said he had a thick skin. But also added that it's unwise to insult the people you're asking to help you.There is however also a lot of sympathy in Germany for the plight of Greek people. And an awareness of the importance of keeping Greece in the Eurozone. But increasingly it seems, not at any price.lineFriday's vote on the Greek proposals must be unanimous. If no agreement appears likely before the ministers gather, the meeting could be postponed.The uncertainty was reflected on stock markets, with the FTSE 100 and Frankfurt's DAX index both losing early gains after Germany's rejection.Mirabaud Securities trader John Plassard said: "Investors think that even if a deal is reached, it won't mean that the 'Greek issue' will be resolved. There will be serious doubts on whether Greece will fully implement the agreement."Greece faces running out of money by the end of the month without a deal and deposits continue to flow out of its banks.CitarPopular tabloid Bild has a double-page spread featuring pictures of Vladimir Putin and Alexis Tsipras with the headline: "The Russian or the Greek: who is more dangerous for us?" Underneath it says: "Europe is in the most difficult crisis it's seen for decades -- because two heads of government are aggressively demonstrating their power."A commentary in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says: "The Greek government appears to believe it can treat its partners like fools," accusing the Greek government of using Brussels like a stage for theatrics, adding that many people have simply had enough.And the business paper Handelsblatt says the request for a loan extension changes very little. "It remains unclear whether Athens is willing to meet the conditions set by its creditors." And that, the paper says, is crucial for the meeting of European finance ministers on Friday.
Si no aparecen las siglas NATO, el análisis es incompleto. Para mi, pavoneo cara a la galería. Ahora voy a leerlo, a ver qué dice Seguro que es interesante.
Ah, claro que es plausible, Grecia en la OTAN y fuera del Euro, e incluso fuera de la UE.Otra cosa es que esté claro que ese sería el final. Sobre todo si es Rusia la que asiste a Grecia en caso de expulsión y la ayuda a comenzar su versión de la TE. A eso me refería con el riesgo de empezar una cadena de sucesos de difícil pronóstico final. En medio de una guerra económica (y militar en grado proxy) por el futuro energético de Europa cualquier otra trama es secundaria. Se hará lo que se tenga que hacer y se justificará como sea necesario.