El avispero de oriente

[Micru]

Leyendo esta noticia me he quedado así 
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/551531-syria-pounds-isis-bases-in-coordination-with-iraq

Pero no querian los EEUU derrocar el regimen sirio? Y ahora se alia Iraq, el estado marioneta de EEUU, con Siria contra los rebeldes? Los mismos rebeldes que EEUU estaba apoyando en Siria y ahora le molestan en Iraq? En serio? 
Y, por otra parte, el supuesto eje del mal iraní se presta a colaborar contra los yihaidistas 

Pasadme con el guionista que esta trama no tiene ni pies ni cabeza. Ya sólo hace falta que Israel se meta, pero donde?? 

Gracias por los ultimos aportes, el ministerio de la verdad nos informa que la guerra es paz y progreso 

EDIT: edito para poner el enlace a la colaboración Iraní en la defensa de Bagdad, Iraq
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/article1422922.ece

[Saturio]

Leyendo esta noticia me he quedado así 
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/551531-syria-pounds-isis-bases-in-coordination-with-iraq

Pero no querian los EEUU derrocar el regimen? Y ahora se alian Iraq, el estado marioneta de EEUU, con Siria contra los rebeldes? Los mismos rebeldes que EEUU estaba apoyando en Siria y ahora le molestan en Iraq? En serio? 
Y, por otra parte, el supuesto eje del mal iraní se presta a colaborar contra los yihaidistas 

Pasadme con el guionista que esta trama no tiene ni pies ni cabeza. Ya sólo hace falta que Israel se meta, pero donde?? 

Gracias por los ultimos aportes, gracias al ministerio de la verdad sabemos que la guerra es paz y progreso 

Estados Unidos no está en disposición de nada. Ni de derrocar a Al Asad, ni de controlar Irak ni de amedrentar a Irán.
Una vez que no pueden hacerlo, su opción es hacer todo lo posible para que se lie la más gorda posible y todos esos territorios acaben valiendo cero y que nadie pueda explotar con garantías los recursos que allí haya.
Es decir, si el petróleo y el gas no van a jugar a su favor (no van a formar parte del esquema del petrodolar), por lo menos que no jueguen en su contra.

Hay algo peor que "un bosnio en Bosnia". "Un irakí en Irak". Aunque parezca mentira, la cosa ya va para 30 años...

[Starkiller]

Irak tiene un gobierno favorable a Rusia, es la siguiente ficha del tablero, tras ucrania. Y lo de turquía es normal, no solo es aliada yankee, es que gasísticamente le llevan 15 años dando en los morros.

A ver como responde Rusia en esta; lo mismo no lo hace. Esto de Irak es una molestia, pero no tan grave, aun.

PS: Y son mas de 30 años, no olvidemos la guerra de Iran-Irak... conocida por los persas como "Guerra impuesta"; que son ya 35 años desde esa.

[Micru]

Seguramente sea eso, porque en terminos economicos:
- una guerra convencional, con posterior ocupación, recostrucción, etc. puede costar 100
- una guerra subcontratada, con mercenarios, yihaidistas, etc. puede salir por la mitad
- fomentar conflictos, guerras, revanchas, etc. no solo sale casi gratis, sino que reporta beneficios por la venta de armas a ambos bandos y evitar el aprovechamiento de los recursos

En esos terminos ya les da todo igual, fomentar el nazismo en Ucrania, el islaminazismo en oriente medio, el tribalnazismo en africa, y en cualquier otro sitio que convenga con tal de vender pepinos y que nadie pueda progresar alli 

Pensábamos que el siglo XXI seria el de las guerras por los recursos, pero de momento lo que nos trae son las guerras por los no-recursos.

[mpt]

Juraría que lo que tienen los "rebeldes" esturreado a sus pies no son dólares. Son cartones de tabaco. 

¿se sabe algo de quien esta poniendo el dinero?

........ Estados Unidos no está en disposición de nada. Ni de derrocar a Al Asad, ni de controlar Irak ni de amedrentar a Irán.
Una vez que no pueden hacerlo, su opción es hacer todo lo posible para que se lie la más gorda posible y todos esos territorios acaben valiendo cero y que nadie pueda explotar con garantías los recursos que allí haya.
Es decir, si el petróleo y el gas no van a jugar a su favor (no van a formar parte del esquema del petrodolar), por lo menos que no jueguen en su contra.

Hay algo peor que "un bosnio en Bosnia". "Un irakí en Irak". Aunque parezca mentira, la cosa ya va para 30 años...

alcanzado el estado fallido total: todos sacan algo, nadie saca todo;

¿acabaran los kurdos teniendo pais? y asi incordiar a turquia y a rusia;

[Reiter]

Lo he colgado en el hilo sobre Ucrania pero, de una forma directa, pertenece a este conflicto.

U.S. trained ISIS at secret Jordan base

Described as covert aid to insurgents targeting al-Assad

ERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.


The officials said dozens of ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

In February 2012, WND was first to report the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region.

That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.

Last March, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Americans were training Syrian rebels in Jordan.

Quoting what it said were training participants and organizers, Der Spiegel reported it was not clear whether the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army, but the magazine said some organizers wore uniforms. The training in Jordan reportedly focused on use of anti-tank weaponry.

The German magazine reported some 200 men received the training over the previous three months amid U.S. plans to train a total of 1,200 members of the Free Syrian Army in two camps in the south and the east of Jordan.

Britain’s Guardian newspaper also reported last March that U.S. trainers were aiding Syrian rebels in Jordan along with British and French instructors.

Reuters reported a spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department declined immediate comment on the German magazine’s report. The French foreign ministry and Britain’s foreign and defense ministries also would not comment to Reuters.

The Jordanian officials spoke to WND amid concern the sectarian violence in Iraq will spill over into their own country as well as into Syria.

ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of Islam.

WND reported last week that, according to Jordanian and Syrian regime sources, Saudi Arabia has been arming the ISIS and that the Saudis are a driving force in supporting the al-Qaida-linked group.

WND further reported that, according to a Shiite source in contact with a high official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the Obama administration has been aware for two months that the al-Qaida-inspired group that has taken over two Iraqi cities and now is threatening Baghdad also was training fighters in Turkey.

The source told WND that at least one of the training camps of the group Iraq of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria, the ISIS, is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where American personnel and equipment are located.

He called Obama “an accomplice” in the attacks that are threatening the Maliki government the U.S. helped establish through the Iraq war.

The source said that after training in Turkey, thousands of ISIS fighters went to Iraq by way of Syria to join the effort to establish an Islamic caliphate subject to strict Islamic law, or Shariah.

Americans are training Syria rebels in Jordan: Spiegel

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/10/us-syria-crisis-rebels-usa-idUSBRE9290FI20130310

West training Syrian rebels in Jordan

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/08/west-training-syrian-rebels-jordan



http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/

[sincriterio]

Me traigo un análisis posteado en burbuja, que me parece muy bueno;

11- A cualquiera que haya mirado un poco la historia de Oriente Medio no le sorprenderá el maremágnum de alianzas y traiciones casi diarias entre países, tribus, facciones y grupos. Recomiendo "Las cruzadas vistas por los árabes", de Amin Maalouf, para hacerse una idea de por dónde van los tiros. Tampoco es de extrañar teniendo en cuenta que la división territorial de la zona es totalmente artificial, viene del acuerdo Sykes-Picot de 1916, y ha colocado bajo una misma bandera a grupos étnica, cultural e históricamente muy distintos.

http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/543027-se-liando-parda-irak-35.html#post11854053

También recomiendo el libro, eso sí, hay que leerlo con una libreta para tomar nota de los tres mil cambios de bando por minuto, y también para saber si tal ciudad está en manos de cristianos reconvertidos, mamelucos ambiciosos, o de todos a la vez.
Y si alguien tiene paciencia, o lo quiere leer a ratos perdidos, que se lea
http://elgritodelalechuza.blogspot.com.es/2009/02/historia-de-las-cruzadas-de-steven.html

versión larga o versión corta, cada uno según sus preferencias.

[Micru]

The rise of ISIS in Iraq is a neocon’s dream

Following the bulk of western reporting on the Iraq crisis, you’d think the self-styled ‘Islamic State of Iraq and Syria’ (ISIS) popped out of nowhere, took the West completely by surprise, and is now rampaging across the Middle East like some random weather event.

The reality is far more complex, and less palatable. ISIS’ meteoric rise is a predictable consequence of a longstanding U.S.-led geostrategy in the Middle East that has seen tyrants and terrorists as mere tools to expedite access to regional oil and gas resources.

In the run-up to the 2003 invasion, oil was of course center stage. While the plans to invade, capture and revitalise Iraq’s flagging oil industry with a view to open it up to foreign investors were explored meticulously by the Pentagon, U.S. State Department and UK Foreign Office – there was little or no planning for post-war reconstruction.

Opening up Iraq’s huge oil reserves would avert what one British diplomat at the Coalition Provisional Authority characterised as a potential “world shortage” of oil supply, stabilising global prices, and thereby holding off an energy crunch anticipated in 2001 by a study group commissioned by vice president Dick Cheney.

Sectarian partition

Simultaneously, influential neoconservative U.S. officials Cheney and deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz co-authored a hair-brained plan to re-engineer the region through the sectarian partition of Iraq into three autonomous cantons for Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites.

The scheme was described by U.S. private intelligence firm Stratfor, which observed in October 2002: “The new government’s attempts to establish control over all of Iraq may well lead to a civil war between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish ethnic groups… The fiercest fighting could be expected for control over the oil facilities” – exactly the scenario unfolding now as ISIS rampages across Iraq.

Fracturing the country along sectarian lines, continued Stratfor, “may give Washington several strategic advantages”:

“After eliminating Iraq as a sovereign state, there would be no fear that one day an anti-American government would come to power in Baghdad, as the capital would be in Amman [Jordan]. Current and potential U.S. geopolitical foes Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria would be isolated from each other, with big chunks of land between them under control of the pro-U.S. forces.”


Equally important, Washington would be able to justify its long-term and heavy military presence in the region as necessary for the defense of a young new state asking for U.S. protection - and to secure the stability of oil markets and supplies. That in turn would help the United States gain direct control of Iraqi oil and replace Saudi oil in case of conflict with Riyadh.”

This sort of strategic thinking drove the U.S. to covertly arm both sides. As one U.S. Joint Special Operations University report said: “U.S. elite forces in Iraq turned to fostering infighting among their Iraqi adversaries on the tactical and operational level.” This included disseminating and propagating al-Qaeda jihadi activities by “U.S. psychological warfare (PSYOP) specialists” to fuel “factional fighting” and “to set insurgents battling insurgents.”

In early 2005, Pakistani defense sources revealed that the Pentagon had “resolved to arm small militias backed by U.S. troops and entrenched in the population.” These militias were in fact “former members of the Ba’ath Party” trained up by al-Qaeda insurgents, receiving covert U.S. support to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement.” Almost simultaneously, the Pentagon began preparing its ‘Salvador option’ to sponsor Shiite death squads to “target Sunni insurgents and their sympathizers.”

Divide and rule

This divide-and-rule strategy has fueled sectarianism not just in Iraq, but across the region. For the last decade, both the Bush and Obama administration have worked with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Gulf states to supply arms and military support to groups across the Middle East that could counter Iranian influence. Those most capable of doing so, it turns out, are extremist Sunni groups affiliated to al-Qaeda.

The short-sighted strategy has included extensive financing and training of jihadist groups in Syria to the tune of up to a billion dollars – a policy that began as early as 2009 according to a former French foreign minister.

A glimpse of the end-vision for this strategy was revealed in a 2006 Armed Forces Journal paper by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, former head of future warfare in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence. His paper called for a complete re-drawing of Middle East borders through “ethnic cleansing.”

This would somehow establish the “security” and “democracy” necessary to secure “access to oil supplies in a region that is destined to fight itself.” The plan repeated the Cheney-Wolfowitz scheme to split Iraq into three, but also included breaking apart Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan through “inevitable attendant bloodshed,” from which eventually “new and natural borders will emerge” for a supposedly more peaceful region.

Startlingly close

What is playing out now seems startlingly close to scenarios described in 2008 by a U.S. Army-funded RAND Corp report on how to win ‘the long war.’ Recognizing that “for the foreseeable future, world oil production growth and total output will be dominated by Persian Gulf resources,” the document advocated a “Divide and Rule” strategy to cement U.S. access to Gulf oil.

On the one hand, this would involve fostering conflict amongst the jihadists themselves - “exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts.” On the other, it would entail fostering conflict between Sunni and Shi’a by “shoring up the traditional Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan as a way of containing Iranian power and influence in the Middle East and Persian Gulf.”

Although this could empower Islamist terrorists, the report assumed that this “may actually reduce the al-Qaeda threat to U.S. interests in the short term” by bogging them down in targeting of “Iranian interests throughout the Middle East and Persian Gulf.”

In reality, the geopolitical jockeying between the U.S., Britain, the Gulf states, Turkey and Iran, has spawned an Islamist Frankenstein - a movement so ruthless even their parent network al-Qaeda disowned them. In turn, ISIS’ rapid ascent is unwittingly playing into the hands of neocon fanatics in Washington and London, eager to seize the new opportunity to bring their dreams of remaking the Middle East to fruition.

También recomiendo leer este articulo del 2006:
http://www.nafeezahmed.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

Maj. Peters, formerly assigned to the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence where he was responsible for future warfare, candidly outlines how the map of the Middle East should be fundamentally re-drawn, in a new imperial endeavour designed to correct past errors. “Without such major boundary revisions, we shall never see a more peaceful Middle East,” he observes, but then adds wryly: “Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: Ethnic cleansing works.”

Mentes enfermas... 

[Taliván Hortográfico]

Fotos del satélite civil Landsat 8 de una refinería iraquí ardiendo:



http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/06/20/iraqi_oil_refinery_fire_blaze_seen_by_landsat_8.html

[Republik]

Puede que Iraq sea el único país con más reservas de crudo de lo que sostienen las cifras oficiales y además las últimas de barata extracción y alta calidad.
 Se habla de que pueden ser 200GB+ cuando la cifra oficial es 115GB. Con ese stock y una inversión cuantiosa ($100.000M+) se podrían sacar 8MBd que es casi el triple del actual flujo.

En su momento los USA se conformaron con poner un cierto flujo en el mercado y repartieron generosamente las concesiones (a rusos, franceses y hasta japoneses). Pero de pronto alguien parece haber decidido que el ritmo es bajo y los obstáculos que impone un país con tensiones territoriales sin resolver se pueden obviar más cómodamente si de parte el país y se reabre el melón de las concesiones. El lugar es de lo más inoportuno porque se molesta a un aliado de la importancia de Turquía pero como no sabemos quién dirige realmente la política exterior de los EEUU cualquier cosa puede ser.

[Taliván Hortográfico]

como no sabemos quién dirige realmente la política exterior de los EEUU cualquier cosa puede ser.

Uno de estos dos, o los dos al unísono. Uno pone la bondad y el otro, el buen sentido.

[Micru]

Jesús Quintero entrevista a Isabel Pisano (2011)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7-6vLzyllk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_fxacXSgM

[Маркс]

Jesús Quintero entrevista a Isabel Pisano (2011)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7-6vLzyllk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_fxacXSgM

Joder, de obligada audición.

[Taliván Hortográfico]

Mi apuesta a largo plazo en este asunto: estos nuevos yihadistas son ETA. O Tejero y Milans del Bosch.

Y Obama, el Campechano que nos va a salvar de una amenaza que, extrañamente, está haciendo todo lo posible por unir contra ella a todos los factores implicados en el sector, desde Turquía a Arabia Saudí e Irán, y al mismo tiempo será una amenaza muy difícil de erradicar del todo y estará siempre ahí, acechando, lo que incitará a todo el mundo a no tirar demasiado de la cuerda, o los malos podrían volver.

Una forma muy retorcida y muy cara de neutralizar la amenaza iraní, que era lo que se quería cuando se invadió Irak. Al final se lo va a neutralizar convirtiéndolo en el aliado tácito y el (segundo) policía de la zona, la verdad. Mi suposición es que a medio plazo Irán tiene más interés en exportar petróleo que coranes, y que su capacidad para lo segundo se ha vuelto irrelevante en la medida en que ya todo el mundo controla facciones más extremistas que las de los ayatolás, lo que hace que sus intereses confluyan con los de los USA. Esta nueva desestabilización islámico-berserk puede amenazar hasta al régimen iraní.

[muyuu]

Estos de ISIS al parecer también quieren cargarse el pedrolo de la Meca

No parecen tener ambiciones muy realistas.

http://en.apa.az/news/213369

ISIS: We will ruin the Kaaba after capturing Saudi Arabia
[ 30 Juny 2014 12:15 ]

Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Representatives of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) stated that they will ruin the Kaaba after capturing Saudi Arabia.

APA reports quoting Turkish media that ISIS wants to take control of Arar city of Saudi Arabia and start operations here.
 
ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi said that they would destroy the Kaaba in Mecca: “If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.”