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Si no se puede hacer bancolchón de él, no es dinero, según un juez usano:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-26/judge-rules-bitcoin-isnt-money-because-it-cant-be-hidden-under-mattress¿Uds qué opinan?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-26/judge-rules-bitcoin-isnt-money-because-it-cant-be-hidden-under-mattress¿Uds qué opinan?
http://www.economicconfidencemodels.com/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstronghttp://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/12/the-secret-cycle
The IMF’s watchdog has described the organization as having a “culture of complacency” prone to “superficial and mechanistic” analysis. The watchdog traces a shocking breakdown in the governance of the IMF, leaving it unclear who is ultimately in charge of this extremely powerful organization. Now with Christine Lagarde ordered to stand criminal trial in France, the board has once again ignored its duty and merely said it stands by her. The entire policy of negative interest rates has devastated savings and ruined the banking system. Month after month has gone by without any recovery, yet the policies are never reviewed – they are always assumed to be correct. The IEO report has blasted its own process. It reported that many documents were prepared outside the regular established channels; written documentation on some sensitive matters could not be located.In a truly astonishing admission, the IEO report stated plainly that its own investigators were unable to obtain key records or penetrate the activities of secretive “ad-hoc task forces,” but would not name who was behind the obstruction to hide the truth. We are witnessing a degree of corruption within government that is worldwide.
the Executive Board and Managementshould reaffirm their commitment to accountability and transparency, as well as the role ofindependent evaluation in fostering good governance. Directors underscored their strongsupport for the independent evaluation and the IEO’s critical role in the Fund. They notedwith concern the difficulty that the IEO had experienced in obtaining confidential documentsthat it deemed necessary for conducting the evaluation in a timely manner
Es interesante que Martín Armstrong apoya el Brexit y a Nivel Farage y cree que la Unión Europea va a desaparecer según sus previsiones. Crees que lleva razón?
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/explaining-persistent-low-interest-rates-by-carmen-reinhart-2016-07
The elites are desperate to kill Trump and they will manipulate the polls just as they forced the head of Fox News out on the very day Trump was to deliver his acceptance speech. They rig and coordinate absolutely everything to prevent a Trump victory. This is all out political war. Make no mistake about that. Even the Republican elites like Paul Ryan and John McCain want to defeat Trump and will hail Hillary behind the curtain. Neither one wants an outsider who might expose their corruption. McCain voted to put a sales tax on the internet and then denied he voted for a tax increase claiming he was voting only to force collection of what was owed to the States. He is a two-face liar with a nasty temper who berates even a waitress for the slightest mistake. The press is part of the establishment and have received their marching orders to push Hillary. They are vehemently against Trump as are all the Republican elites like Paul Ryan, John McCain, and Mitt Romney because those in Washington want to rob the people as always and are clinging to power. The claimed Billionaires for Hillary are buying the White House and various positions on committees for ego. Hillary’s pick for Secretary of the Treasury will be Larry Fink, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of BlackRock. He will get to sell all his stock in Black Rock tax free. This is why these people take these positions in addition to ego. They have to sell their shares and the law allows them tax-free status because this is a requirement. Why do you think Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson from Goldman Sachs took that position. Besides helping Goldman, they get to cash out tax free.Those in power in Washington fear a revolution is in the wind as they have watched in Europe. Politicians know all too well that what begins in Europe spread to the USA as a contagion in politics just as it does in fashion. So Hillary is one of them and both the Democrats and Republican elite are really behind Hillary to prevent any outsider from changing their power base....Hillary is owned by the NY Bankers. My own case began under the Clintons and I can tell you that Goldman Sachs ruled the court. The receiver Alan Cohen ordered all my lawyers to turn over all tapes I had documenting EVERY market manipulation from the early 1980s. They threaten to throw my lawyers in contempt with me unless they turned the tapes over to the court’s receiver. Then, all the evidence that would have been enough to hang many bankers in New York City, mysteriously was destroyed in the World Trade Center according to the SEC. Alan Cohen, the court receiver, was then hired by Goldman Sachs and placed on their Board of Directors. He worked for the Court and Goldman Sachs simultaneously and would never resign from the court. I believe Cohen refused to resign because someone else would have began to investigate what was going on and this huge conflict of interest between the Court and Goldman Sachs would have been exposed.When Bush was elected in 2000, only then did the government offer me a deal to drop all the charges if I plead to some conspiracy with Edmond Safra, to which I declined. I stood up in court and objected to the seizure of all the tapes on the market manipulations to no avail. It did not matter. The federal court in New York City protects New York Banks. The corruption is pervasive....Goldman Sachs is under criminal investigation right now for the whole Malaysia deal and is being sued for $510 million currently because of their dealings. This is just the tip of the Iceberg. They set up Greece and Iceland. The trade deal TTIP is to protect Goldman for anyone who wants to sue them must do so only in New York City. Goldman Sachs would be prosecuted under a Trump White House for it would be pay-back time. You can bet that EVERY mainstream media supports Goldman Sachs and is fighting very hard to make Hillary the president selling out the nation long-term to maintain everything as is. So I do not expect a FAIR election. There is way TOO MUCH at stake here and you can see it with Paul Ryan coming out against Trump to protect the status quo. Handing Trump’s wife a plagiarized speech was a deliberate attempt to make Trump look like a fool. Trump did not fire the speech writer warning that he has people inside his campaign that are Trojan Horses for Paul Ryan and crew. These people are against the country and will fight as dirty as they can and I would not expect the press to expose any truth about Hillary but to now try their hardest to stop Trump. Just watch the news and everything negative they can possibly do to Trump mainstream media will now unleash. Paul Ryan and other elite Republicans have surrendered to Hillary to keep the corruption in place. The computer projects a Republican victory on 3 out of 4 models, and this trend is global as shown in BREXIT. Nevertheless, the corruption is so pervasive in Washington, both Democrats and the establishment Republican led by Paul Ryan will not tolerate any outsider coming in and taking the money out of their hands. The game is just rigged and they will rob the people of their vote any way they can. This is an outright political war – POLITICIANS v PEOPLE. Trump will not win if it ends up as a close count.As a result, I will say this. If Hillary wins, I would then fear the government because it will be controlled 100% by Goldman Sachs. My battle was against those in New York. But now, New York will seize control of Washington. I personally would have to consider leaving the United States for I do not believe there would be any hope left and the nation will fall into total corruption. Our models shows that the West will fall and the Financial Capital will shift to China for the next wave starting in 2032.95. Hillary may be that final straw to help push Western society over the edge.Would Trump be any better? I believe he is too independent to allow such corruption and that independence is what Paul Ryan fears. Goldman would probably be prosecuted under Trump, but the damage is far too great for this to be reversed where we save Western society. Hillary’s policies would just destroy the United States and Western Society as a consequence for we are already collapsing under socialism with massive unfunded pensions. Trump may put up a good fight, but he either surrenders to the elites naively or they will assassinate him because there is just too much at risk from their perspective to allow him to really change Washington.
Cita de: lectorhinfluyente1984 en Julio 28, 2016, 14:09:46 pm"El oro tiene valor propio"Jajajajijiji pero si llevamos ochenta posts y no eres capaz de decir ni porqué es un activo, ni porqué tiene valor.Es un activo, porque es un bien que se puede conventir en dinero u otros medios líquidos equivalentes. Esto lo aprendes en primero de ADE con 18 años Es un activo. Ni es pasivo ni es neto. Un asset. Y el FMI y los bancos centrales lo catalogan como "activo de reserva". Todo esto lo digo yo, es lo aceptado en la contabilidad de todas las personas y todas las empresas del mundo SIN EXCEPCIÓN, incuyendo las de trading de commodities (como el oro). Entonces, si yo estoy de esta parte, queda por saber de que parte estás tu porque aún no la tengo clara jeje.Hasta ahora por lo que te he entendido, es que has dicho que el oro es reserva de valor (OK, como los coches de colección) y que no es un activo (disagree).
"El oro tiene valor propio"Jajajajijiji pero si llevamos ochenta posts y no eres capaz de decir ni porqué es un activo, ni porqué tiene valor.
CitarSi el arte no tiene valor de uso ¿por qué hacen libros con fotos de obras de arte para que la gente disfrute observándolas, y museos... ? Jeje, eres tu quien ha dicho que el oro no tiene ni valor de uso, ni valor propio. Yo no te voy a sacar del berenjenal.
Si el arte no tiene valor de uso ¿por qué hacen libros con fotos de obras de arte para que la gente disfrute observándolas, y museos... ?
CitarO sea... crees que los accionistas mayores y más ricachones de esas empresas no son los mismos que diversifican su portfolio de activos comprando oro Acabáramos. Si no distingues las personas físicas de las personas jurídicas, entonces tenemos un problema Que la gente compre oro, o maiz, o plata a mi me da igual. El maíz tiene valor, es un activo, y no por ello veo a gente por internet declarando su amor al maíz ni al trigo, ni diciendo que el grano es una reserva de valor porque se puede almacenar, se puede transaccionar en pequeñas cantidades y sirvió de moneda en el pasado, y además tampoco se puede imprimir. Tal vez el problema es que tu prefieres el oro sobre otros activos.
O sea... crees que los accionistas mayores y más ricachones de esas empresas no son los mismos que diversifican su portfolio de activos comprando oro
CitarHas sido tú el que has confundido valor y precio (en TE, nada menos jiji) al decir que al menos estaremos de acuerdo en que el oro tiene MAS valor que el papel". ¿Qué querías decir con esa frase exactamente? Quiero decir que: el valor objetivo, producto de calcular los valores infinitesimales del trabajo necesario para obtener el papel y el oro, son claramente superiores en el oro. Esto sumado a que hay mucho menos en el planeta, nos lleva a observar en el oro un valor superior al del papel. Y cuando hablo de papel, hablo de papel.El problema, es que aqui tu confundes papel con papel timbrado.Ya he explicado varias veces (en el foro) lo que es el dinero (=el papel moneda) y porque los billetes que imprime un niño no valen nada, pero los papeles que imprime el BC valen 500€.Es decir, yo no puedo explicarte ahora cómo y porqué funciona el mundo. Funciona así.El BC imprime papel en la proporción de PIB total del área económica, y cada billete oficial vale una parte infinitesimal de esa área económica. TODA.Por eso Nigeria tiene más reservas de oro que la FED, pero sigue siendo un país miserable.
Has sido tú el que has confundido valor y precio (en TE, nada menos jiji) al decir que al menos estaremos de acuerdo en que el oro tiene MAS valor que el papel". ¿Qué querías decir con esa frase exactamente?
CitarNo eres capaz de responder a porqué los BCs guardan "papel perfumado" en grandes cantidades y además no se deshacen de él sino que compran más.Eso sin mencionar la demanda privada por supuesto.Lo he explicado. Y también he explicado porque nunca van a guardar más de una parte mínima, y he explicado porqué el BC tiene muchas opciones de revender ese activo con plusvalías.
No eres capaz de responder a porqué los BCs guardan "papel perfumado" en grandes cantidades y además no se deshacen de él sino que compran más.Eso sin mencionar la demanda privada por supuesto.
CitarValor de uso del oro = casi 0 (despreciable en órdenes de magnitud frente a su valor m-o-n-e-t-a-r-i-o)¿Y que le confiere el valor monetario?Si no es el valor de uso, será el valor intrínseco (propio, objetivo) ¿?Los coches tienen valor porque la gente los quiere. Los sellos tienen valor. Los pisos tienen valor. Las manzanas tienen valor. El valor de uso de un Renault es el mismo que el valor de uso de un Bentley pero su valor intrínseco (y objetivo) es distinto. Yo sólo digo que el tener valor no es condición para ser el centro del sistema monetario, porque el acero, los semiconductores, o el turismo suponen activos muchísimo mas importantes que el activito amarillo por antonomasia
Valor de uso del oro = casi 0 (despreciable en órdenes de magnitud frente a su valor m-o-n-e-t-a-r-i-o)
Yo sólo digo que en cuanto activo vulgar que es, el oro ni puede ni debe ser utilizado como medida monetaria. De hecho no lo es, y en vez de preguntarte porqué, sigues a vueltas con ese activo particular, el cual ha demostrado ser menos rentable que el Bitcoin
CitarLas multinacionales se deben a los accionistas, y son ellos los que diversifican en activos distintos, incluido el oro, en su portfolio. Cuando compran acciones de multinacionales no quieren invertir en oro a través de ellas.Quédate con las personas físicas y sus inversioncitas.Yo me quedo con las personas jurídicas.Y tan amigos.
Las multinacionales se deben a los accionistas, y son ellos los que diversifican en activos distintos, incluido el oro, en su portfolio. Cuando compran acciones de multinacionales no quieren invertir en oro a través de ellas.
[...]Yo no. Los BCs. No faltan ni personas físicas ni jurídicas almacenando oro.Lo que digo es que es irrelevante si la gente declara o deja de declarar su amor por el maíz o el oro en los foros o donde sea. Lo importante es que los BCs se lo guardan y que al hablar del oro y el sistema monetario habrá que tener en cuenta algún modelo de explicación para dar cuenta de este hecho ¿o no?