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Re: The last refuge of the scroundel (none / 0) [creo que es scoundrel= fripón] Efficient tax collection? In the Greek proposal, vetoed by the IMF. A 21st century grade well functioning public administration? In the Greek proposal. Corruption at Swedish, not Swaziland levels? In the Greek proposal. A well managed public service with a minimum of political patronage? In the Greek proposal. A public service size commensurate with the financial ability of Greek society? Pure sophistry, since the "financial ability" of a society is decided by political convention: The marginal cost of printing more money is zero, so sovereign financing can never be a scarce resource. Only a political weapon wielded by those with a pathological dislike of the public sector. A judical system that provides timely and workable resolution of business and administrative disputes comparably to other EMU members? Already in the Greek proposal. Unless you meant to append "in favor of the businesses." In which case you can shove it where the sun won't shine. When every substantive proposal on your list is either uncontroversial or in fact the Greek position that the Troika is rejecting, it may be a sign that you need to maybe go read the Greek proposals, instead of Stasi 2.0's lies about them in FAZ. - Jake
Il suffit de comparer le programme sur lequel Syriza a été élu avec les versions successives des propositions faites aux «institutions» pour voir que le gouvernement grec n’a cessé de reculer jusqu’à ses fameuses «lignes rouges» (notamment la TVA et les retraites), mordant même quelque peu sur ces dernières lors des dernières propositions.Basta comparar el programa de Syriza con la versiones presentadas a las institucions para ver que Grecia ha retrocedido hasta la linea roja (IVA y pensiones) mordiendo incluso en éstasIl ne s’agit pas tant pour la troïka que la Grèce revienne à des finances publiques «saines» que de faire baisser les dépenses publiques. La hausse des recettes fiscales n’est pas l’objectif principal des créanciers. Les seules hausses d’impôt que la troïka est disposée à accepter sont celles de la TVA ; elle a, en revanche, rejeté la proposition du gouvernement grec d’imposer une taxe supplémentaire aux firmes dont les bénéfices sont supérieurs à un demi-million d’euros, une hausse des cotisations sociales employeurs ou des taxes sur les paris en ligne.No se trata tanto para la Troika que G. vuelva a un presupuesto sano, que hacer que reduzca el gasto público. El incremento de fiscalidad no es el objetivo. Las únicas alzas en impuestos aceptables por la Troika eran las del IVA; pero rechazó el impuesto extraordinario a Sociedades de más de 0,5 meuros, un alza de cotizaciones o las imposición de apuestas en líneaMais, c’est quand Juncker il a déclaré que les Grecs devaient voter oui au référendum, quelle que soit la question posée, que le maître de l’évasion fiscale en Europe a été le plus sincère : énonçant que l’issue que la troïka recherchait à la crise actuelle était bien une capitulation sans condition de la Grèce. Es cuando Juncker declaró que los Griegos debían votar Si, cualquiera que fuera la pregunta, que el maestro de la evasión fiscal europea ha sido el más sincero : dejó claro que la salida deseada por la Troika a la crisis era efectivamente la capitulación sin condiciones de Grecia
WORLD NEWS Tsipras prepared to accept all bailout conditionsAlexis Tsipras will accept all his bailout creditors' conditions that were on the table this weekend with only a handful of minor changes, according to a letter the Greek prime minister sent late Tuesday night and obtained by the Financial Times.The two-page letter, sent to the heads of the European Commission, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank, elaborates on Tuesday's surprise request for an extension of Greece's now-expired bailout and for a new, third €29.1bn rescue, writes Peter Spiegel.Although the bailout's expiry at midnight Tuesday night means the extension is no longer on the table, Mr Tsipras' new letter could serve as the basis of a new bailout in the coming days.Mr Tsipras' letter says Athens will accept all the reforms of his country's value-added tax system with one change: a special 30 per cent discount for Greek islands, many of which are in remote and difficult-to-supply regions, be maintained.On the contentious issue of pension reform, Mr Tsipras requests that changes to move the retirement age to 67 by 2022 begin in October, rather than immediately. He also requests that a special "solidarity grant" awarded to poorer pensioners, which he agrees to phase out by December 2019, be phased out more slowly than creditors request."The Hellenic Republic is prepared to accept this staff-level agreement subject to the following amendments, additions or clarifications, as part of an extension of the expiring [bailout] program and the new [third] loan agreement for which a request was submitted today, Tuesday June 30th 2015," Mr Tsipras wrote. He added:CitarAs you will note, our amendments are concrete and they fully respect the robustness and credibility of the design of the overall program.Eurozone finance ministers are due to discuss Mr Tsipras' new proposal in a conference call at 5:30pm, Brussels time.
As you will note, our amendments are concrete and they fully respect the robustness and credibility of the design of the overall program.
Suenan voces en Francia pidiendo un referendum en Francia por o contra la austeridad en Europahttp://rmc.bfmtv.com/point-de-vue/guenole-il-faut-un-referendum-pour-ou-contre-l-austerite-europeenne-comme-en-grece-d-accord-643558.htmlGuénolé: “Il faut un référendum pour ou contre l’austérité européenne, comme en Grèce"30/06/2015 à 12h21
Cita de: saturno en Julio 01, 2015, 10:58:25 amSuenan voces en Francia pidiendo un referendum en Francia por o contra la austeridad en Europahttp://rmc.bfmtv.com/point-de-vue/guenole-il-faut-un-referendum-pour-ou-contre-l-austerite-europeenne-comme-en-grece-d-accord-643558.htmlGuénolé: “Il faut un référendum pour ou contre l’austérité européenne, comme en Grèce"30/06/2015 à 12h21 www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/57-pib-depenses-publiques-anatomie-record-francais-construit-bulle-depenses-sociales-depuis-40-ans-nicolas-goetzmann-1015137.htmlYa será contra la austeridad de los extranjeros .
01-Jul-2015 11:20:27 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS MUST REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN GREECE A DEBT HAIRCUT01-Jul-2015 11:21:38 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS GREEK INTEREST RATE BURDEN IS BELOW THAT OF GERMANY IN RELATIVE TERMS01-Jul-2015 11:23:53 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS BEFORE SUNDAY’S GREEK REFERENDUM, THERE IS NO POINT TO HAVE TALKS01-Jul-2015 11:25:06 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS I ALWAYS KEPT TO WHAT WE AGREED, TO OUR RULES, IF EVERYONE HAD DONE THE SAME, GREECE WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH A DESPERATE SITUATION01-Jul-2015 11:26:23 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE BUT SITUATION HAS DETERIORATED01-Jul-2015 11:26:56 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS I FEEL SORRY FOR GREEK PEOPLE01-Jul-2015 11:29:18 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS I AM NOT GIVING ANY PREDICTIONS ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH GREECE, WE ARE OPEN TO ANYTHING01-Jul-2015 11:30:08 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS WE DON’T KNOW IF WE WILL MANAGE TO GET AN ESM PROGRAMME READY BY JULY 20 PAYMENT DEADLINE01-Jul-2015 11:31:05 - GERMANY’S SCHAEUBLE SAYS ECONOMIC SITUATION IN GREECE IS GETTING WORSE
Germany's Schäuble: Problem with Greek ‘yes’ vote: How can we trust a gov’t to carry out a program it encouraged its people to reject?
EFSF statement:The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) takes note of a public statement of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that a Greek non-payment has occurred. It is the EFSF’s understanding that the IMF Managing Director has informed the IMF Executive Board. This will be confirmed by a meeting of the Executive Board, expected later today. For the EFSF, this would constitute an event of default for certain EFSF loans.The EFSF also takes note of the fact that the IMF received a request yesterday from the Greek authorities for an extension of Greece’s repayment obligation that fell due yesterday. The IMF’s Executive Board intends to examine this request in due course.In line with EFSF guidelines, EFSF CEO Klaus Regling must inform the chairman of the Eurogroup Working Group and the EFSF Board of Directors today of the non-payment and propose one of the following three options:- acceleration of the loan: this means that the EFSF cancels the loan contract and requests immediate repayment of the principal and interest amounts;- waiver of rights: this means that the EFSF irrevocably waives its right and remedies under the loan for this specific non-payment;- reservation of rights: this means that the EFSF neither accelerates the loan nor waives its right to do so, but instead reserves the right to act at a later stage.The EFSF will coordinate its next steps very closely with the Eurogroup Working Group, where its shareholders are represented, and with the European Commission and the IMF.The Greek non-payment has no influence on the EFSF’s capacity to repay its bondholders. Investors know that EFSF bonds benefit from a very strong guarantee structure.
Cita de: Republik en Julio 01, 2015, 11:13:48 amCita de: saturno en Julio 01, 2015, 10:58:25 amSuenan voces en Francia pidiendo un referendum en Francia por o contra la austeridad en Europahttp://rmc.bfmtv.com/point-de-vue/guenole-il-faut-un-referendum-pour-ou-contre-l-austerite-europeenne-comme-en-grece-d-accord-643558.htmlGuénolé: “Il faut un référendum pour ou contre l’austérité européenne, comme en Grèce"30/06/2015 à 12h21 www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/57-pib-depenses-publiques-anatomie-record-francais-construit-bulle-depenses-sociales-depuis-40-ans-nicolas-goetzmann-1015137.htmlYa será contra la austeridad de los extranjeros .Cierto, pero es La France. Intereses de deuda negativos.De todos modos, aprovecho para preguntarte.Están programando el paso para 2017 a la retención a cuenta del IRPF. En 2 ejercicios ! (en las elecciones de Sarkozy, aún decían que era de una complejidad insalvable.... al cajón )Pero significa que a partir de 2017, el Estado FR beneficiará de un crédito de tesorería permanente como los demás Estados UE. Eso entiendo que significa eliminar las deudas del Estado FR que ahora deben suscribir para cerrar el ejercicio, y permitirá seguramente una reduccion considerable del aparato fiscal... e indirectamente también de las "paguitas" (ahí está la pinza con la restructuración del aparato territorial)¿A ti te parece que la retención a cuenta supondrá una reducción de las cifras del endeudamiento FR?Yo creo que sí. De varios puntos, En cuanto la comparación de Francia con la UE se haga con unas cuentas publicas comparables, cuando todos los aparatos de Estado de la UE tengan un funcionamiento similar, se verá mucho más claro qué parte del endeudamiento francés es "glissant" entre ejercicios, y cuál es estructural. Ese endeudamiento "glissando" de cada año es el que la retención a cuenta borrará de golpe.Ahora mismo, los datos de FR/ES parecen ser equivalentes, pero los mercados entiendo que toman en cuenta la diferencia. De ahí la diferencia de tipos y valoración AAANo he leido por ninguna parte este tipo de análisis. No sé si tiene sentido, aunque me parece evidente. Con retención a cuenta, toda la economia le ofrece al Estado crédito a cero interés durante un ejercicio, la alternativa es salir a los mercados y Francia ahora mismo no tiene otra alternativa que financiar con crédito privado su fiscalidad. Si implantas el IRPF a cuenta, normalmente, eliminas una parte sustancial de tus necesidades de financiación corriente.¿Razono mal?Edit: mi parecer es que Atlántico (y Mariane) son portavoces de los libeggales immofilos, (obrerismo facha) y claramente a favor del euroxit de Francia. Sus informaciones hay que leerlas en la perspectiva de los CapitalPopulistas.
Patience is wearing very thin it seemsSchaeuble has been banging on all morning about how Greece have put themselves into a position where basically they don't have much power to negotiate, as the program they were negotiating on has expired. They're on the hook for failing to pay the IMF and have told their own people to vote against a proposal that they are now running around like headless chickens to agreeTo say he hasn't even read the new Greek proposal is a big middle finger to Tsipras and Schaeuble adds that none of us understand why the Greek government is leading its own people down this pathIn this political poker game the Troika haven't just 'called' Greece, they've raised and Schaeuble is making sure they know itTsipras has got a hell of a job to do when he speaks to his nation and what he says, given the latest news, could be a big market mover. In my view he's got two bullets left in his gun. Accept the deal or call for Greece to exit
No sé si es buena idea que Schaeuble y otros bocas de la troika se pongan a humillar y porculizar en público a Syriza.Es como si quisieran provocar la reacción más tremendista e irracional, invitarles al zambombazo. No entiendo. Sólo me lo explico si supieran algún motivo por el que es materialmente imposible que pase nada. ¿Realmente es posible que lo tengan absolutamente "todo controlado"?