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Desde mi ignorancia, China está haciendo una demolición controlada tanto de la bolsa como del sector inmobiliariao, a su paso, sin estridencias, como si fuera el bolero de Ravel.Citar"Las casas se construyen para ser habitadas, no para especular", afirmó el máximo mandatario durante el XIX Congreso del Partido Comunista Chino (PPCh) en octubre de 2017
"Las casas se construyen para ser habitadas, no para especular", afirmó el máximo mandatario durante el XIX Congreso del Partido Comunista Chino (PPCh) en octubre de 2017
Algunas ideas de cómo sería un proceso de reestructuración en el caso de Evergrandehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/annestevenson-yang/2021/09/13/what-would-a-restructuring-of-evergrande-look-like/?sh=3b775721823cCitarWhat Would A Restructuring Of Evergrande Look Like?(...) 1. Non-core and especially overseas assets will be hived off and sold at whatever the market will bear. 2. Public market investors will lose out.3. Chinese individual investors in Evergrande’s wealth management products and empty apartments will lose their shirts. When they object, they will be silenced.4. Unfinished developments will become the responsibility of local governments.5. Evergrande founder Xu Jiayin will remain very wealthy until domestic protests reach a crescendo requiring that heads roll. Then he will either go to jail or remain a fugitive overseas.The end of the dream that ever-rising property values will bring prosperity to the average family in China is a politically combustible phenomenon, yet Evergrande is of a scale that indicates it cannot be completely bailed out and debts hidden. As owners of the apartments and the debt come out into the streets, rubbing their eyes, everyone should steel themselves for brutal repression.We read two things in the pattern of resolutions in the cases we have cited and in several others, especially from the fact that founders come out better than institutional and private investors, onshore and offshore.First, by the letter of the law and what basic audit procedures would reveal, these companies were all given substantial passes for their practices and their actual financial disclosures. That suggests an unusual level of regulator tolerance, and that in turn suggests that there are non-transparent claims on the reported (and protected) wealth of the founders and key executives.Second, the losses suffered by a large number of urban families in contrast to the protection of the actual engineers of these schemes may be reaching a rising level of social and political risk that is contributing to Xi Jinping's widely promoted campaign to redistribute the wealth of China's most visible tycoons. If that is the case, we can reasonably expect an expansion of new impacts and constraints on the wealthy, such as asset and heavy income taxes, and a contraction of wealth-building opportunities in the financialized parts of China's economy, those parts that from the beginning of reform were declared temporary use of capitalist tools to jumpstart growth.That Evergrande turned out not to be ever grand may be its most significant impact on China's reforms in progress.
What Would A Restructuring Of Evergrande Look Like?(...) 1. Non-core and especially overseas assets will be hived off and sold at whatever the market will bear. 2. Public market investors will lose out.3. Chinese individual investors in Evergrande’s wealth management products and empty apartments will lose their shirts. When they object, they will be silenced.4. Unfinished developments will become the responsibility of local governments.5. Evergrande founder Xu Jiayin will remain very wealthy until domestic protests reach a crescendo requiring that heads roll. Then he will either go to jail or remain a fugitive overseas.The end of the dream that ever-rising property values will bring prosperity to the average family in China is a politically combustible phenomenon, yet Evergrande is of a scale that indicates it cannot be completely bailed out and debts hidden. As owners of the apartments and the debt come out into the streets, rubbing their eyes, everyone should steel themselves for brutal repression.We read two things in the pattern of resolutions in the cases we have cited and in several others, especially from the fact that founders come out better than institutional and private investors, onshore and offshore.First, by the letter of the law and what basic audit procedures would reveal, these companies were all given substantial passes for their practices and their actual financial disclosures. That suggests an unusual level of regulator tolerance, and that in turn suggests that there are non-transparent claims on the reported (and protected) wealth of the founders and key executives.Second, the losses suffered by a large number of urban families in contrast to the protection of the actual engineers of these schemes may be reaching a rising level of social and political risk that is contributing to Xi Jinping's widely promoted campaign to redistribute the wealth of China's most visible tycoons. If that is the case, we can reasonably expect an expansion of new impacts and constraints on the wealthy, such as asset and heavy income taxes, and a contraction of wealth-building opportunities in the financialized parts of China's economy, those parts that from the beginning of reform were declared temporary use of capitalist tools to jumpstart growth.That Evergrande turned out not to be ever grand may be its most significant impact on China's reforms in progress.
Cita de: lagarto en Septiembre 14, 2021, 07:56:22 amDesde mi ignorancia, China está haciendo una demolición controlada tanto de la bolsa como del sector inmobiliariao, a su paso, sin estridencias, como si fuera el bolero de Ravel.Citar"Las casas se construyen para ser habitadas, no para especular", afirmó el máximo mandatario durante el XIX Congreso del Partido Comunista Chino (PPCh) en octubre de 2017Eso mismo lo dicen en España, y el propietariado capitalistita rentista improductivo de la mayoría electoral, ya está sacando las guillotinas a la calle.
Cita de: Derby en Septiembre 13, 2021, 21:43:10 pmAlgunas ideas de cómo sería un proceso de reestructuración en el caso de Evergrandehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/annestevenson-yang/2021/09/13/what-would-a-restructuring-of-evergrande-look-like/?sh=3b775721823cCitarWhat Would A Restructuring Of Evergrande Look Like?(...) 1. Non-core and especially overseas assets will be hived off and sold at whatever the market will bear. 2. Public market investors will lose out.3. Chinese individual investors in Evergrande’s wealth management products and empty apartments will lose their shirts. When they object, they will be silenced.4. Unfinished developments will become the responsibility of local governments.5. Evergrande founder Xu Jiayin will remain very wealthy until domestic protests reach a crescendo requiring that heads roll. Then he will either go to jail or remain a fugitive overseas.The end of the dream that ever-rising property values will bring prosperity to the average family in China is a politically combustible phenomenon, yet Evergrande is of a scale that indicates it cannot be completely bailed out and debts hidden. As owners of the apartments and the debt come out into the streets, rubbing their eyes, everyone should steel themselves for brutal repression.We read two things in the pattern of resolutions in the cases we have cited and in several others, especially from the fact that founders come out better than institutional and private investors, onshore and offshore.First, by the letter of the law and what basic audit procedures would reveal, these companies were all given substantial passes for their practices and their actual financial disclosures. That suggests an unusual level of regulator tolerance, and that in turn suggests that there are non-transparent claims on the reported (and protected) wealth of the founders and key executives.Second, the losses suffered by a large number of urban families in contrast to the protection of the actual engineers of these schemes may be reaching a rising level of social and political risk that is contributing to Xi Jinping's widely promoted campaign to redistribute the wealth of China's most visible tycoons. If that is the case, we can reasonably expect an expansion of new impacts and constraints on the wealthy, such as asset and heavy income taxes, and a contraction of wealth-building opportunities in the financialized parts of China's economy, those parts that from the beginning of reform were declared temporary use of capitalist tools to jumpstart growth.That Evergrande turned out not to be ever grand may be its most significant impact on China's reforms in progress.Me quedan unos cuantos posts por leer así que no se si se habrá comentado después.Leo ese hipotético escenario que ha puesto Derby y me sale una medio sonrisa maliciosa.¿A alguien en su sano juicio en España se le ocurriría invertir en sellos? China ha podido encontrar su Afinsa y dejar marcado a fuego en sus ciudadanos que los sellos la vivienda no es un refugio ni una inversión.Si siguen el plan y consiguen esto, se van a poner diez años por delante del mundo occidental en términos de productividad.
...Es imposible mantener la superestructura mas allá del primer escalón de la pirámide de Maslow. El comunismo chino resistirá mientras tenga algo que ofrecer en ese nivel.Dos o tres generaciones más y el castillo de naipes comunista (construido con hambrunas y sangre) caerá como han caído todos los sistemas en donde el poder no es ejercido por la nueva clase pujante, en el caso de China, la burguesía industrial. El Partido (=la aristocracia) ha conseguido aguantar el primer embite a base de anexionar a la primera generación de "artesanos de carácter global", a los cuales han incorporado a la fuerza o con "pseudotítulos nobiliarios" es decir, dándoles silla y voz en el Partido (véase el caso Jack Ma, lo explicó el mismo)....
Evergrande’s Cash Problem is Now Beijing’s Political ProblemProtesters crowded the headquarters of China’s most indebted property developer after some wealth management products it backed failed to pay out on timeIndebted property developer China Evergrande is struggling with the protests of disgruntled investors. Cries from buyers of its apartments could grow even louder.Individual investors protested outside Evergrande’s headquarters Monday as some wealth management products backed by the developer failed to pay out on time. Videos of the protests have gone viral on Chinese social media. Evergrande said Tuesday that two of its subsidiaries failed to discharge their obligations as guarantor for around 934 million yuan, the equivalent of $145 million, of wealth management products issued by third parties.(...)
Analysis: China's house of cards: Evergrande threatens wider real estate market(...) "Stress is mounting for the most obvious grey rhino* in China, namely the real estate sector," Natixis economist Alicia Garcia Herrero said.(...) "Lehman (was) very different as it went across the financial system, freezing activity," said Patrick Perret-Green, an independent London-based analyst."Millions of contracts with multiple counterparties, everyone was trying to work out their exposure," he said. "With Evergrande it depresses the entire real estate sector."(...) "The government has worked tirelessly to drive de-leveraging in the bloated real estate sector, so throwing a lifeline to Evergrande now is unlikely," said James Shi, distressed debt analyst at credit analytics provider Reorg.(...) "We do not believe the government has an incentive to bail out Evergrande (which is a private-owned enterprise)," Nomura analyst Iris Chen said in a note to clients.
Está claro en el tejado de quién está la pelota...https://www.wsj.com/articles/evergrandes-cash-problem-is-now-beijings-political-problem-11631618922CitarEvergrande’s Cash Problem is Now Beijing’s Political ProblemProtesters crowded the headquarters of China’s most indebted property developer after some wealth management products it backed failed to pay out on timeIndebted property developer China Evergrande is struggling with the protests of disgruntled investors. Cries from buyers of its apartments could grow even louder.Individual investors protested outside Evergrande’s headquarters Monday as some wealth management products backed by the developer failed to pay out on time. Videos of the protests have gone viral on Chinese social media. Evergrande said Tuesday that two of its subsidiaries failed to discharge their obligations as guarantor for around 934 million yuan, the equivalent of $145 million, of wealth management products issued by third parties.(...)PS Como dice un artículo que colgado antes, en el momento que Evergrande hace público la designación de unos asesores financieros (Houlihan Lokey and Admiralty Harbour Capital as joint financial advisers) es que el tema está muy avanzado.
Todo el mundo echándose las manos a la cabeza por el precio de la luz y ni Dios diciendo nada sobre la barbaridad de los precios de la vivienda. Es de coña. Ahí se puede meter mano pero no me toques los pisitos que me mosqueo.https://www.vozpopuli.com/economia_y_finanzas/gobierno-requisara-beneficios-electricas-energia.html
El WSJ mirando el problema con ojos pisitófilos occidentales. Donde los americanos ven un problemón, puede que los chinos vean un pequeño contratiempo que les va a permitir dar una lección de moral al resto del mundo. Como China deje caer a Evergrande a más de uno se le cortocircuita el cerebro por el fallo en matrix.